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    We are pursuing educational testing through our local public high school and have a preliminary meeting next week with the diagnostician. We did this years ago when we needed a diagnosis, but now we need an updated battery of tests in case our son needs accommodations for standardized tests or dual-credit classes. Also I want to know where heís at in the different learning areas. Any suggestions, things to bring or important questions to ask?

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    Good morning, Catherine. First, revisit those tips in the assessment chapters of Simply Classical. Second, you might ask for interest/aptitude assessments to be included if the guidance counselor has something available. Your son has difficulties but he also has great ambition! Third, be sure to tell them your purposes in the testing (e.g., a record of need for future testing, services in college, etc.), so they cover everything you intend for them to cover.

    Let us know how everything goes. It is good to hear you are pursuing this for him!

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    We just got our evaluation test results back this week from our public school. Itís 40 pages long (GULP). Iím wading through it right now with a highlighter and a cup of coffee. This morning, I was fine with it. Now, after a heated conversation with my husband, I donít want to look at it. But Iím only halfway through. Soldiering on!

    Bottom line looks like an intervention course based on Autism Spectrum Disorder and Intellectual Disability. They administered the WISC-V, ADOS-2, KTEA-3, psychological, executive function and social skills, Vineland III, Beery Visual-Motor Integration Test (Sensory Profile 2), and the Clinical Evaluation of Language Fundamentals ó Fifth Edition, Childrenís Communication Checklist. He scored low on everything. My brain is overwhelmed.

    This is confirmation of what Iíve pretty much always known. So Iím okay with that. My husband...? Not so much. Itís stressful. Prayers!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Anita View Post
    We just got our evaluation test results back this week from our public school. Itís 40 pages long (GULP). Iím wading through it right now with a highlighter and a cup of coffee. This morning, I was fine with it. Now, after a heated conversation with my husband, I donít want to look at it. But Iím only halfway through. Soldiering on!

    Bottom line looks like an intervention course based on Autism Spectrum Disorder and Intellectual Disability. They administered the WISC-V, ADOS-2, KTEA-3, psychological, executive function and social skills, Vineland III, Beery Visual-Motor Integration Test (Sensory Profile 2), and the Clinical Evaluation of Language Fundamentals ó Fifth Edition, Childrenís Communication Checklist. He scored low on everything. My brain is overwhelmed.

    This is confirmation of what Iíve pretty much always known. So Iím okay with that. My husband...? Not so much. Itís stressful. Prayers!
    My husband never wanted to read those reports either. His was not denial; he simply preferred to deal directly with the child in front of him. Eventually you can be the filter through which the understanding revealed by the testing is conveyed to your husband, but first you will need to grapple with it yourself. This is monumental on its own. Fwiw, our reports on both children often read "severely impaired," "profoundly impaired," etc. This is the "science" of special education that can dehumanize and discourage, if we let it, even as it enlightens. You might want to swap your coffee for chamomile tea.

    Praying for you and for your husband. Remember that sometimes with biological children, a person is dealing with similarities that strike a little too close to home. Your husband will have his own grappling to do. All of this ebbs and flows and will take time. Years ago you didn't think your W would even be evaluated. Now you have the information in front of you.

    One tip: The WISC-V penalizes working memory & processing difficulties with a low overall IQ, so look to the subtests instead. And just because I'm curious: What are his highest subtests on the WISC-V? And what were those scores? These will be the things that will encourage you as they remind you of W's strengths and provide insight into ways your beautiful boy will thrive in the future. The weaknesses help you know what to target and how to modify, but the strengths are often even more important long-term.

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    Quote Originally Posted by cherylswope View Post
    My husband never wanted to read those reports either. His was not denial; he simply preferred to deal directly with the child in front of him. Eventually you can be the filter through which the understanding revealed by the testing is conveyed to your husband, but first you will need to grapple with it yourself. This is monumental on its own. Fwiw, our reports on both children often read "severely impaired," "profoundly impaired," etc. This is the "science" of special education that can dehumanize and discourage, if we let it, even as it enlightens. You might want to swap your coffee for chamomile tea.

    Praying for you and for your husband. Remember that sometimes with biological children, a person is dealing with similarities that strike a little too close to home. Your husband will have his own grappling to do. All of this ebbs and flows and will take time. Years ago you didn't think your W would even be evaluated. Now you have the information in front of you.

    One tip: The WISC-V penalizes working memory & processing difficulties with a low overall IQ, so look to the subtests instead. And just because I'm curious: What are his highest subtests on the WISC-V? And what were those scores? These will be the things that will encourage you as they remind you of W's strengths and provide insight into ways your beautiful boy will thrive in the future. The weaknesses help you know what to target and how to modify, but the strengths are often even more important long-term.
    Thank you!

    Full scale IQ ó 70 very low
    Verbal Comprehension Index ó 70 very low
    Visual Spatial ó 75 very low
    Fluid Reasoning Index ó 79 very low (figure weights is a 9, which is average)
    Working Memory ó 76 very low (Picture Span is an 8, which is average)
    Processing Speed Index ó 63 Extremely Low (Symbol Search is a 1, which is the lowest score in the scaled test results)
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    Yes, so you have a "double whammy" diagnosis, just as Colomama did. (Also known as an almost unbearable kick in the gut.) I have to ask: Do you feel as if they caught him at his best? Was he cooperative? Eager? Rested? Did he know & trust the tester?

    Assuming yes to all of the above, his processing and verbal are very low compared to others his age, but as you said, you knew this.

    When looking at strengths, we talk about "relative strengths," i.e., strengths for him. This is where the small subtests will be helpful. Clearly the difference between a 1 and a 9 is a statistically significant difference! The 9 falls in the average range, but for him it is notable!

    The tests have changed from the time I administered them, but based on the preliminary scores, his relative strengths may lie in these areas:

    fluid intelligence
    mathematical reasoning
    inductive and qualitative reasoning
    abstract thinking
    broad visual intelligence
    the ability to see conceptual relationships

    When you have the energy, see if he has any other subtests at the level of 6, 7 or above. When you go back, highlight these. The abilities measured on these subtests will be key to helping him in his lower areas and keeping up his confidence.


    For now, just have a good cry if you want. It is HARD. Take time to let everything sink in. It is grieving, so you are feeling the heavy weight of that.

    More than anything, remember when you look in his face that he will always be more -- humanly and eternally -- than those numbers. Prayer for all.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Anita View Post
    We just got our evaluation test results back this week from our public school. Itís 40 pages long (GULP). Iím wading through it right now with a highlighter and a cup of coffee. This morning, I was fine with it. Now, after a heated conversation with my husband, I donít want to look at it. But Iím only halfway through. Soldiering on!

    Bottom line looks like an intervention course based on Autism Spectrum Disorder and Intellectual Disability. They administered the WISC-V, ADOS-2, KTEA-3, psychological, executive function and social skills, Vineland III, Beery Visual-Motor Integration Test (Sensory Profile 2), and the Clinical Evaluation of Language Fundamentals ó Fifth Edition, Childrenís Communication Checklist. He scored low on everything. My brain is overwhelmed.

    This is confirmation of what Iíve pretty much always known. So Iím okay with that. My husband...? Not so much. Itís stressful. Prayers!
    Praying for you this morning, for peace and for a good plan for moving forward.

    love,
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    Quote Originally Posted by cherylswope View Post
    Good morning, Catherine. First, revisit those tips in the assessment chapters of Simply Classical. Second, you might ask for interest/aptitude assessments to be included if the guidance counselor has something available. Your son has difficulties but he also has great ambition! Third, be sure to tell them your purposes in the testing (e.g., a record of need for future testing, services in college, etc.), so they cover everything you intend for them to cover.

    Let us know how everything goes. It is good to hear you are pursuing this for him!
    Thank you, Cheryl! I will do all of that. One of the things they are asking is for records of grades for the past 3 years, as well as current grades. Our state doesn't require any record keeping at all, and although I kept a list of the subjects we studied, I did not keep grades in elementary and middle school. I can figure the current grades, since I was planning to do that for a high school transcript now that he's in 9th grade. We always worked to mastery, so really every grade would be an A. Do you think that's okay or will it look suspicious? My husband thinks this likely won't matter because it is just paperwork for the file--would you agree?
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    It seems reasonable and fitting to present his grades accurately. If this is straight A's, then so be it.

    Because you homeschool, you might just want to explain that you do not automatically award A's (and even perhaps that you know how it might look to some) but 1) you teach for mastery and do not consider something A-level until it is, in fact, mastered and 2) your son strives for perfection. You might add that his striving for perfection can be part of your concern.

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    Anita, prayers honey. Cheryl recommended Chamomile tea. I recommend something stronger, up the proof per se. Ha!

    It's true, our boys, born just one a week apart are truly two peas in a pod. These results prove it.

    My dh also didn't want to hear the results. As Cheryl said, they hit too close to home. So true.

    To the OP: include your dh as much as possible in the testing. If they send home a parent questionnaire, ask for two copies to complete. One for each of you. My dh wasn't involved at all and insisted the results were a knee-jerk reaction. He somehow missed the 40 different appointments that led up to the diagnosis.

    Anita, did they actually make a diagnosis or have they given you follow-up info to receive one from a different provider?

    Give your husband and you time to digest this. We're talking a month or two here. It's hard. You can have concerns and suspicions, but a third party validating them is hard. It's nice to have an answer, but not THAT answer, right?

    We went through this probably exactly a year ago. My husband just ordered a book about kids with Asperger's. I'm like, he has autism, not Asperger's. Even with the old diagnosis langauge he wouldn't have had Asperger's. So, he still is grappling with it. A year, folks. But, he did order the book...so maybe it's starting to get in there.

    Finish reading the report. Put it down. Stay off those internet sites, you know the ones. Read the report again next week. Read it a month later. These things take time.

    Praying for the whole family. Hugs

    PS, symbol search was my son's lowest to.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Colomama View Post
    Anita, prayers honey. Cheryl recommended Chamomile tea. I recommend something stronger, up the proof per se. Ha!

    It's true, our boys, born just one a week apart are truly two peas in a pod. These results prove it.

    My dh also didn't want to hear the results. As Cheryl said, they hit too close to home. So true.

    To the OP: include your dh as much as possible in the testing. If they send home a parent questionnaire, ask for two copies to complete. One for each of you. My dh wasn't involved at all and insisted the results were a knee-jerk reaction. He somehow missed the 40 different appointments that led up to the diagnosis.

    Anita, did they actually make a diagnosis or have they given you follow-up info to receive one from a different provider?

    Give your husband and you time to digest this. We're talking a month or two here. It's hard. You can have concerns and suspicions, but a third party validating them is hard. It's nice to have an answer, but not THAT answer, right?

    We went through this probably exactly a year ago. My husband just ordered a book about kids with Asperger's. I'm like, he has autism, not Asperger's. Even with the old diagnosis langauge he wouldn't have had Asperger's. So, he still is grappling with it. A year, folks. But, he did order the book...so maybe it's starting to get in there.

    Finish reading the report. Put it down. Stay off those internet sites, you know the ones. Read the report again next week. Read it a month later. These things take time.

    Praying for the whole family. Hugs

    PS, symbol search was my son's lowest to.
    A day apart! My Buddy is one day younger than your Buddy.
    We are trying to get a non verbal IQ test done. With someone who has such poor verbal processing, a WISC-V (heavily verbal) is going to be a bad diagnostic. Our Eminent SLP says the WISC-V is ďnotoriously badĒ at assessing IQ in verbally impaired kids. She pointed to scores of 85-91 in Math and visual reasoning on other tests as proof. This is likely not something the district will administer or pay for, but we may spring for it on our own.

    The assessment is for IEP purposes only, and we are suggesting that it be annotated to state as much. It is not a diagnosis, it is a recommendation of study for remediation of skills.

    Husband is invested in ďbeing rightĒ about IQ and our son not having Autism. However, if further testing reveals that he is wrong, he will (might?) accept that... (shaking my head and sighing).
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    Quote Originally Posted by Colomama View Post
    Anita, prayers honey. Cheryl recommended Chamomile tea. I recommend something stronger, up the proof per se. Ha!

    It's true, our boys, born just one a week apart are truly two peas in a pod. These results prove it.

    My dh also didn't want to hear the results. As Cheryl said, they hit too close to home. So true.

    To the OP: include your dh as much as possible in the testing. If they send home a parent questionnaire, ask for two copies to complete. One for each of you. My dh wasn't involved at all and insisted the results were a knee-jerk reaction. He somehow missed the 40 different appointments that led up to the diagnosis.

    Anita, did they actually make a diagnosis or have they given you follow-up info to receive one from a different provider?

    Give your husband and you time to digest this. We're talking a month or two here. It's hard. You can have concerns and suspicions, but a third party validating them is hard. It's nice to have an answer, but not THAT answer, right?

    We went through this probably exactly a year ago. My husband just ordered a book about kids with Asperger's. I'm like, he has autism, not Asperger's. Even with the old diagnosis langauge he wouldn't have had Asperger's. So, he still is grappling with it. A year, folks. But, he did order the book...so maybe it's starting to get in there.

    Finish reading the report. Put it down. Stay off those internet sites, you know the ones. Read the report again next week. Read it a month later. These things take time.

    Praying for the whole family. Hugs

    PS, symbol search was my son's lowest to.
    Colomama,
    Thank you for your advice. Our son was diagnosed 11 years ago, and to be honest, accepting the diagnosis has been a years-long process. At each stage of development, thereís a new level of understanding and acceptance that I have to go through. A book your husband may appreciate is The Autistic Brain, by Temple Grandin. Cheryl recently recommended it to me on another thread, to help my older children understand what their brother experiences on the autism spectrum. I just finished reading it and found it very helpful and hopeful.

    Peace to you and to Anita!
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    Dear Cheryl,

    While everyone at the high school has been very nice and expressed their desire to help, they are confused as to how to get my son into their system. They don't seem to have ever had a homeschooled student receive special education testing at this school. In order to access the electronic IEP paperwork, they would like me to enroll my son on Monday as a regular student, let him accrue absences until we do the testing, and then dis-enroll him after the process is complete. If I want to update the testing again before he graduates high school, I'd have to enroll/ dis-enroll him again. Does this sound right to you? I believe the absences will count against the school for state funding, and I will (according to them) receive a lot of robocalls once his absences start to add up. When we did this before, enrollment wasn't an issue because he was only 3 years old. I'm going to contact my state homeschool association today too, but I'd love to hear any advice you have.

    Thank you!
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    Quote Originally Posted by CatherineS View Post
    Dear Cheryl,

    While everyone at the high school has been very nice and expressed their desire to help, they are confused as to how to get my son into their system. They don't seem to have ever had a homeschooled student receive special education testing at this school. In order to access the electronic IEP paperwork, they would like me to enroll my son on Monday as a regular student, let him accrue absences until we do the testing, and then dis-enroll him after the process is complete. If I want to update the testing again before he graduates high school, I'd have to enroll/ dis-enroll him again. Does this sound right to you? I believe the absences will count against the school for state funding, and I will (according to them) receive a lot of robocalls once his absences start to add up. When we did this before, enrollment wasn't an issue because he was only 3 years old. I'm going to contact my state homeschool association today too, but I'd love to hear any advice you have.

    Thank you!
    Catherine
    This does sound convoluted, doesn't it?!

    We were able to obtain all of our testing privately through insurance coverage, so I did not experience this as a parent firsthand; however, Wrightslaw.com tries to stay current and offers the following notes & laws as reference points as you advocate. Your state homeschool advocacy group will know any state-specific requirements in addition to verifying these from Wrightslaw:

    - The Individuals with Disabilities Education Act includes the Child Find mandate. Child Find requires all school districts to identify, locate and evaluate all children with disabilities, regardless of the severity of their disabilities. This obligation to identify all children who may need special education services exists even if the school is not providing special education services to the child.

    -The law about the requirement to evaluate if requested by the childís parent is clear and unambiguous:
    "A State educational agency, other State agency, or local educational agency [school district] shall conduct a full and individual initial evaluation ... either the parent of a child, or a State education agency, other State agency, or local educational agency may initiate a request for an initial evaluation to determine if the child is a child with a disability." 20 USC 1414(a)(1)

    - "All children with disabilities residing in the state, including children with disabilities attending private schools, regardless of the severity of their disabilities, and who are in need of special education and related services, are identified, located, and evaluated . . ." (20 U.S.C. 1412(a)(3))

    - Schools are required to locate, identify and evaluate all children with disabilities from birth through age 21. The Child Find mandate applies to all children who reside within a State, including children who attend private schools and public schools, highly mobile children, migrant children, homeless children, and children who are wards of the state. (20 U.S.C. 1412(a)(3))

    - This includes all children who are suspected of having a disability, including children who receive passing grades and are "advancing from grade to grade." (34 CFR 300.111(c)) The law does not require children to be "labeled" or classified by their disability. (20 U.S.C. 1412(a)(3)(B); 34 CFR 300.111(d)).


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    Quote Originally Posted by cherylswope View Post
    This does sound convoluted, doesn't it?!

    We were able to obtain all of our testing privately through insurance coverage, so I did not experience this as a parent firsthand; however, Wrightslaw.com tries to stay current and offers the following notes & laws as reference points as you advocate. Your state homeschool advocacy group will know any state-specific requirements in addition to verifying these from Wrightslaw:

    - The Individuals with Disabilities Education Act includes the Child Find mandate. Child Find requires all school districts to identify, locate and evaluate all children with disabilities, regardless of the severity of their disabilities. This obligation to identify all children who may need special education services exists even if the school is not providing special education services to the child.

    -The law about the requirement to evaluate if requested by the childís parent is clear and unambiguous:
    "A State educational agency, other State agency, or local educational agency [school district] shall conduct a full and individual initial evaluation ... either the parent of a child, or a State education agency, other State agency, or local educational agency may initiate a request for an initial evaluation to determine if the child is a child with a disability." 20 USC 1414(a)(1)

    - "All children with disabilities residing in the state, including children with disabilities attending private schools, regardless of the severity of their disabilities, and who are in need of special education and related services, are identified, located, and evaluated . . ." (20 U.S.C. 1412(a)(3))

    - Schools are required to locate, identify and evaluate all children with disabilities from birth through age 21. The Child Find mandate applies to all children who reside within a State, including children who attend private schools and public schools, highly mobile children, migrant children, homeless children, and children who are wards of the state. (20 U.S.C. 1412(a)(3))

    - This includes all children who are suspected of having a disability, including children who receive passing grades and are "advancing from grade to grade." (34 CFR 300.111(c)) The law does not require children to be "labeled" or classified by their disability. (20 U.S.C. 1412(a)(3)(B); 34 CFR 300.111(d)).


    You might be paving the way for others! Let us know what happens --
    Has anyone run into trouble as homeschoolers using the public school testing. Like, being given a hard time about homeschooling, ending up on ďthe radarĒ, etc? We arenít required to report or register in Indiana and I kind of like the freedom of that. At the same time, public school testing is already paid for by my tax dollars rather than trying to scrape money together, get financial assistance, etc for private testing. Would PS testing be as thorough as private neuropsych?
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    We ran this gamut last year. I was the first homeschooler to request an evaluation in our district.

    A few caveats about my particular location to start, which may be important. We have one pk-12 school in the county. The whole county. There are no other educational choices, private or charter or hybrid. Period. There are no other behavioral or psych offerings in the county. None.

    I was denied at first at the local county when I requested an eval. They said he had to be an enrolled student. I pointed yo the law as Cheryl noted. It doesn't say anything about enrolled student. I got the brush off..."well look into it and get back with you".

    I went above the district. The district shares special education and behavioral services with two other adjoining counties. I called their administrator. She was more knowledgeable than the locals. She agreed to push it through the locals and actually showed up at the initial evaluation consultation. Definitely put the locals on notice to get this done.

    They agreed to do the eval. They tried to hard sell me on enrolling him to receive services. I partially enrolled him for behavioral and psych services, but passed on English Language Arts and Math services.

    The key is make your request in writing. That starts the clock running to complete an eval within a specific time frame.
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    Quote Originally Posted by cherylswope View Post
    This does sound convoluted, doesn't it?!

    We were able to obtain all of our testing privately through insurance coverage, so I did not experience this as a parent firsthand; however, Wrightslaw.com tries to stay current and offers the following notes & laws as reference points as you advocate. Your state homeschool advocacy group will know any state-specific requirements in addition to verifying these from Wrightslaw:

    - The Individuals with Disabilities Education Act includes the Child Find mandate. Child Find requires all school districts to identify, locate and evaluate all children with disabilities, regardless of the severity of their disabilities. This obligation to identify all children who may need special education services exists even if the school is not providing special education services to the child.

    -The law about the requirement to evaluate if requested by the childís parent is clear and unambiguous:
    "A State educational agency, other State agency, or local educational agency [school district] shall conduct a full and individual initial evaluation ... either the parent of a child, or a State education agency, other State agency, or local educational agency may initiate a request for an initial evaluation to determine if the child is a child with a disability." 20 USC 1414(a)(1)

    - "All children with disabilities residing in the state, including children with disabilities attending private schools, regardless of the severity of their disabilities, and who are in need of special education and related services, are identified, located, and evaluated . . ." (20 U.S.C. 1412(a)(3))

    - Schools are required to locate, identify and evaluate all children with disabilities from birth through age 21. The Child Find mandate applies to all children who reside within a State, including children who attend private schools and public schools, highly mobile children, migrant children, homeless children, and children who are wards of the state. (20 U.S.C. 1412(a)(3))

    - This includes all children who are suspected of having a disability, including children who receive passing grades and are "advancing from grade to grade." (34 CFR 300.111(c)) The law does not require children to be "labeled" or classified by their disability. (20 U.S.C. 1412(a)(3)(B); 34 CFR 300.111(d)).

    You might be paving the way for others! Let us know what happens --
    Yes, it is very confusing! I heard from the school's psychologist and our state homeschool association today that they can do a special education dual enrollment for a child enrolled in a private school (which is what homeschooled students are considered in Texas). That will allow him to receive the evaluation while not being counted absent every day.

    My state homeschool association also clarified that while they are required to provide an initial evaluation/diagnosis as you quoted above on any student in the district suspected of having a disability, in Texas at least they are not required to offer any services to privately or homeschooled students after that. They can if they choose to. I am not sure, but I think our request for an update to the initial evaluation falls under the first category. I'm not looking for any kind of services beyond that. In any case, this particular school seems willing to work with us. We'll see how it goes!
    Catherine

    2018-19
    DS15, 9th
    DS12, 6th
    DS10, 5th
    DD10, 5th
    DS6, K
    DD3
    DS 7 mos

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    Default Re: OT: Public school testing

    Quote Originally Posted by jen1134 View Post
    Has anyone run into trouble as homeschoolers using the public school testing. Like, being given a hard time about homeschooling, ending up on ďthe radarĒ, etc? We arenít required to report or register in Indiana and I kind of like the freedom of that. At the same time, public school testing is already paid for by my tax dollars rather than trying to scrape money together, get financial assistance, etc for private testing. Would PS testing be as thorough as private neuropsych?
    Jen,

    It is definitely a hassle to go through the public school. Our first go-around was 12 years ago when we were looking for a diagnosis for our son--3 years old, we suspected autism. On the initial evaluation, they sent him to a psychiatrist who did not do any official tests, just spent an hour with him and said he's not autistic, just gifted, and gifted kids are difficult. And by the way, you should start making him use the potty. Some help! We found out we had the right to an appeal, which we pursued, and which took forever, but by age 4 1/2 the school district paid for a full evaluation by a developmental pediatrician in private practice. It was the exact same evaluation he would have done had we been paying through insurance or cash.

    The district offered him a spot in their special needs preschool program, but we declined that without any problems. A few years later we did enroll him for a short time in a self-contained special ed classroom, and when we withdrew him to return to homeschooling, the teachers were disappointed, but they were always respectful of our decision. The school sent me letters for about a year afterwards, reminding me that I could continue services even while homeschooling, but that was all.

    Our health insurance covers neuropsychological testing but not psychoeducational testing. I'm still not sure exactly how those tests differ, but our psychiatrist assures me psychoeducational is what we need for our purposes right now (documentation that allows for accommodations with SAT/ACT or with college classes). That's what we are looking for from the school at this point. I don't even know for sure that our son will need those accommodations, but I don't want to get to that point and then not have the paperwork.

    HTH!
    Catherine

    2018-19
    DS15, 9th
    DS12, 6th
    DS10, 5th
    DD10, 5th
    DS6, K
    DD3
    DS 7 mos

    Homeschooling 3 with MP
    2 using First Form series in school

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