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    Quote Originally Posted by Anita View Post
    We’re going to do this kind of shuffle as well.

    There was some lamenting awhile back on the K-8 Board from a cottage school teacher about how challenging Little House (... In The Big Woods by Laura Ingalls Wilder — not to be confused with The Little House by Virginia Lee Burton) was for her second grade class. She practically demanded it be dropped from the MP2 course guides because she felt it was far too difficult for a Second Grader in the context of a once-per-week cottage school (which always reminds me of cheese...? Cottage school/ cottage cheese. My brain is fascinating labrynth of synonyms).

    Agree or disagree: my point is that Little House may be read alone, read aloud, team read, listened to on Audible, delayed for another grade, or (IMO) skipped altogether for an SC student. My daughter will devour it; my son will need some hand-holding. Both approaches are valid.
    Good thoughts and advice here, Anita! Thanks! (Did you notice I thanked you?) LOL

    All joking aside....I am really glad all this has come up (thanks Michelle!) because I actually bought the first part of MP2 Lit and left off the Beatrix Potter books and lit guide, knowing we'd probably not get to all that by summer. That maybe we wouldn't do them at all. I'm going to see how these first few selections go and then make an assessment on Little House in the Big Woods. Perhaps that will be part of 3rd grade lit for my son. Speaking of 3rd grade lit.....I'm sure there are some of those lit selections that will be too hard for hime....and so on and so on...repeat pattern.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SPearson View Post
    Good thoughts and advice here, Anita! Thanks! (Did you notice I thanked you?) LOL

    All joking aside....I am really glad all this has come up (thanks Michelle!) because I actually bought the first part of MP2 Lit and left off the Beatrix Potter books and lit guide, knowing we'd probably not get to all that by summer. That maybe we wouldn't do them at all. I'm going to see how these first few selections go and then make an assessment on Little House in the Big Woods. Perhaps that will be part of 3rd grade lit for my son. Speaking of 3rd grade lit.....I'm sure there are some of those lit selections that will be too hard for hime....and so on and so on...repeat pattern.
    SC is not even scheduling the Potter books, so I would not worry about doing those. I remember asking Tanya at Sodalitas 2016 if you did not do all the lit guides in a year, if you could move on up to the next grade and she said “yes!l. You do not have to do them all!
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    Quote Originally Posted by SPearson View Post
    Hey Jen! Are you talking about your now 5 year old? Hmmmm .....well, my now 9th grader will be 19.5 when he graduates. He has a local (super smart) classically educated peer who will be 19 when he graduates, as well. These boys have, at times, become discouraged when some in the local homeschool community graduate their teens early at (say) 17 and move them along to the local junior college. But those same kids never came close to having all this rich Latin, history, and advanced study that my son and his peer/friend will have had. I am actually THRILLED my son will be older. Then again, when we decided to add a year between his 8th grade and 9th grade years (although he did 9th grade work during that time) we sat down and talked about it. I was really surprised he didn't care that much to be older. Maybe deep down inside he knew he needed that gift of another year. (In the same way he's not chomping at the bit to get behind the wheel even though he's now 16. Ha!)

    Well, you know a lot about executive function and I'm sure you have read all the research about the prefrontal cortex development and maturity.

    It's okay to be smart AND older when one graduates. I guess that's the gist of what I'm saying. It's a double whammy plus!

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    It's my 9yo.

    My now 14yo will graduate high school 3 weeks after his 19th birthday (we held him back a year when we started MP), but I'm perfectly fine with that. My now 9yo, though, is an October birthday so, at his current pace, he will be 20 years old for almost all of his senior year of high school.

    But you know, your post made me realize that I'm wondering about nothing..."12th grade" doesn't have to mean MP's core package. For one thing, MP tends to be a year advanced so doing the 11th grade core (when he's 18/19) would be perfectly fine to end with, PLUS high school always ends up being a mix/match type thing anyway!

    *feeling very grateful for your post. also feeling very sheepish*
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    Quote Originally Posted by jen1134 View Post
    It's my 9yo.

    My now 14yo will graduate high school 3 weeks after his 19th birthday (we held him back a year when we started MP), but I'm perfectly fine with that. My now 9yo, though, is an October birthday so, at his current pace, he will be 20 years old for almost all of his senior year of high school.

    But you know, your post made me realize that I'm wondering about nothing..."12th grade" doesn't have to mean MP's core package. For one thing, MP tends to be a year advanced so doing the 11th grade core (when he's 18/19) would be perfectly fine to end with, PLUS high school always ends up being a mix/match type thing anyway!

    *feeling very grateful for your post. also feeling very sheepish*
    Another wisdom from Tanya.....if you only complete grade 10 core with MP, your education will be superior!
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    I think this is a great discussion. As I sprawl on the couch recuperating from abdominal surgery #2 (let's hope this one works), I have lots of time to thumb through the catalog and ponder next year (and years and years after that, ha).

    I have gone round and round with literature. What to do with Little House? Will he be ready to start lit 3 next year? What to do for writing next year? Should he do Core Skills LA 1 &2 as scheduled in SC4 or do LA 3 as scheduled in MP3?

    And Jen, I mention planning one year at a time as I have 3A and 4NU guides open on my lap. Sometimes I post something more as a reminder to myself than anything else.

    My son too loves the looks of Greek myths and some of those higher level classes. I wonder if he will get the same out of them by my tweaking them to his current ability as adverse to just waiting until he can do them more completely. That's why I lean towards just sticking with the SC schedule, the writing required in grade 3 would just be too much.
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    Quote Originally Posted by howiecram View Post
    SC is not even scheduling the Potter books, so I would not worry about doing those. I remember asking Tanya at Sodalitas 2016 if you did not do all the lit guides in a year, if you could move on up to the next grade and she said “yes!l. You do not have to do them all!
    Thanks for sharing that, Christine!

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    Quote Originally Posted by jen1134 View Post
    It's my 9yo.

    My now 14yo will graduate high school 3 weeks after his 19th birthday (we held him back a year when we started MP), but I'm perfectly fine with that. My now 9yo, though, is an October birthday so, at his current pace, he will be 20 years old for almost all of his senior year of high school.

    But you know, your post made me realize that I'm wondering about nothing..."12th grade" doesn't have to mean MP's core package. For one thing, MP tends to be a year advanced so doing the 11th grade core (when he's 18/19) would be perfectly fine to end with, PLUS high school always ends up being a mix/match type thing anyway!

    *feeling very grateful for your post. also feeling very sheepish*
    Oh, and Jen, I didn't even tell you about my other son and HOW OLD he'll be! (Mostly because I think there are more similarities between my teen and what you are facing in the future with older h.s. grads.) The little guy (12! Yes, 12. Did I say '12'?) is currently in MP2. So you do the math, girl. LOL! Still, I'm so very thankful. If it weren't for MP I'd be influenced by the naysayers that Latin study is too hard for special needs kiddos. And I'm redeeming my own education right alongside him. How cool is that? (I never learned any Latin with my older son, he's 100% self-studied up until recently.)

    Are we all going to stay (at minimum) loosely connected enough to share success stories when our kiddos are in the 20s and experiencing major success in their lives? Are we going to gather with a good bottle of wine and share laughs over "those days" we stressed about their futures? I hope so.

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    Of COURSE we are all “preaching to the choir” (and to ourselves) as we give encouragement to others. Amen and amen.

    Another pearl of Wisdom from MP (I think, attributable to Mrs Lowe herself?):
    You cannot accomplish half of what you think you can in a day; you can achieve twice what you think you can in a year. (I’m paraphrasing.)

    I’ll thief yet another slogan from MP mentor, Jessica (pickandgrin):
    Festina lente — “make haste, slowly”.

    We would do well to remember both.

    Seriously, for those of you who have been schooling for a few years already: did you ever think your children would have accomplished half as much as they already have? I know I am taken aback every day at how well my children are doing and at the superior education they are getting. (I announced to them just this week that they now — in First Grade — can recognize more works of art than most adults!)

    We tend to buy that this whole “forming a child” business is all about achievement and how well our kids will do in their careers, as determined by how much education we can stuff in their little minds and souls while they are under our care. That is important, to be sure, but it is not the whole picture. I’ve learned more since I graduated from formal learning than I ever imagined. My schooling prepared me (passably) for life, but LIVING MY LIFE is what gave me wisdom (such as it is).

    Our children are their own people. They have to be given the same opportunities to fail, struggle, be disillusioned, told “no”, and find their own place as every other child. I think we stunt some beautiful growth patterns when we hold too tightly to OUR dreams for them or try to shield them from every trial. We expect to be pruned by our Good Master; we should expect the same pruning from Him for our children. It is the only way they can bear the fruit He intends.

    “Train up a child in the way he should go, and when he is old he will not depart from it.” This is my guiding philosophy. I leave the rest to grace.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Colomama View Post
    I think this is a great discussion. As I sprawl on the couch recuperating from abdominal surgery #2 (let's hope this one works), I have lots of time to thumb through the catalog and ponder next year (and years and years after that, ha).

    I have gone round and round with literature. What to do with Little House? Will he be ready to start lit 3 next year? What to do for writing next year? Should he do Core Skills LA 1 &2 as scheduled in SC4 or do LA 3 as scheduled in MP3?

    And Jen, I mention planning one year at a time as I have 3A and 4NU guides open on my lap. Sometimes I post something more as a reminder to myself than anything else.

    My son too loves the looks of Greek myths and some of those higher level classes. I wonder if he will get the same out of them by my tweaking them to his current ability as adverse to just waiting until he can do them more completely. That's why I lean towards just sticking with the SC schedule, the writing required in grade 3 would just be too much.
    Hmmm.....gosh, Michelle, you keep bringing up things I haven't considered. So about this Core Skills LA book. I guess I didn't notice that shows up in MP3 for the first time. (But already used in SC). So perhaps that's something I should add in for the remainder of this year (however long it takes). Given how much of a weakness the language arts are, in general, are for my son. Well....I say that....BUT, he reads fluently, is a strong (intuitive) speller but struggles with the comprehension. So, to that end, I ended up buying the Core Skills Reading Comprehension books (just to add to our already full load! LOL) So we worked through Book 1 and are now on Book 2. I suppose I could add the LA books, as well, just to see how they help remediate things. I will say that there's been a pretty good improvement back from the days of "Story Time Treasures". And I also now know more fully how I need to really give him time to respond.....some times a LONG time. Sometimes I have to just keep calmly asking the same question over and over.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SPearson View Post
    Hmmm.....gosh, Michelle, you keep bringing up things I haven't considered. So about this Core Skills LA book. I guess I didn't notice that shows up in MP3 for the first time. (But already used in SC). So perhaps that's something I should add in for the remainder of this year (however long it takes). Given how much of a weakness the language arts are, in general, are for my son. Well....I say that....BUT, he reads fluently, is a strong (intuitive) speller but struggles with the comprehension. So, to that end, I ended up buying the Core Skills Reading Comprehension books (just to add to our already full load! LOL) So we worked through Book 1 and are now on Book 2. I suppose I could add the LA books, as well, just to see how they help remediate things. I will say that there's been a pretty good improvement back from the days of "Story Time Treasures". And I also now know more fully how I need to really give him time to respond.....some times a LONG time. Sometimes I have to just keep calmly asking the same question over and over.
    My son has the same challenges. He’s excellent at following grammar and punctuation rules and he missed about two spelling words (from Spelling Workout B) all year. But his reading comprehension (cause and effect, subtext, inference, character motivations, predicting what will happen next) is sloooooow to come online. Some effective things we’ve done to boost this area are to read more often, read in the first hour of school (when he’s fresh), read in round-robin style (he reads, I read, my daughter reads, he reads again) and read before bed. We read MP assignments and books but we also read for Catechism, Science, geography and health. I have also supplemented his course load with leveled readers that he enjoys (I Can Read Levels 2-3). This has helped!

    As for formal reading assignments: we pre-read, read, re-read and read again when answering comprehension questions. Overteach, overteach, overteach. He’ll get it.

    (Meanwhile, my daughter — two years younger than my older son — writes three-page stories for fun. She illustrates her stories and is forever reading for pleasure. I never thought she would catch on to Language. But when she did, she took off! But she still has some comprehension challenges — subtext, in particular. So don’t feel as if you’re alone!)
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    Thanks Anita! I love looking back on the thread of our stories (our kids' stories) ..... I love how we can remind one another that what is "not yet" now is not necessarily for forever.

    We also do a LOT of read, reread, reread again. He reads alone. He reads to me. I read to him. Repeat. What's so interesting is that his ability to answer questions for Miss Rumphius was rather easy. And I think it was because we read the story so much in the past and has been one of our all-time faves. I remember how much he enjoyed listening to Little House in the Big Woods, Farmer Boy, etc. when he was much younger and I was reading those books as a read-aloud mostly for the benefit of my older son. I hope that translates over into better comprehension when we get to those stories down the road later in the year.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SPearson View Post
    Hmmm.....gosh, Michelle, you keep bringing up things I haven't considered. So about this Core Skills LA book. I guess I didn't notice that shows up in MP3 for the first time. (But already used in SC). So perhaps that's something I should add in for the remainder of this year (however long it takes). Given how much of a weakness the language arts are, in general, are for my son. Well....I say that....BUT, he reads fluently, is a strong (intuitive) speller but struggles with the comprehension. So, to that end, I ended up buying the Core Skills Reading Comprehension books (just to add to our already full load! LOL) So we worked through Book 1 and are now on Book 2. I suppose I could add the LA books, as well, just to see how they help remediate things. I will say that there's been a pretty good improvement back from the days of "Story Time Treasures". And I also now know more fully how I need to really give him time to respond.....some times a LONG time. Sometimes I have to just keep calmly asking the same question over and over.
    The core skills LA books are not in SC cores, yet. They will appear, for the first time in SC4. Also, books 1 and 2 (if I remember correctly) are scheduled. That is why moving over to MP3, might work for some kiddos. However, if they have only done TRaditional Spelling 1, that SWO book D might be a bit of a challenge?

    I was debating whether we “need” the Core skills 1&2, or if we could try 3. I feel like I remember Cheryl saying she was working some subjects in, so they could be less “at the elbows” and I am guessing these levels will achieve that more than, say level 3?

    I am conflicted on literature level. We bought the MP2 pace. We have only completed Prairie School, so I do not know enough to figure out beyond that. She is currently team reading with me the COFA books scheduled in the enrichment, with good inflection. She still has trouble with really big words, or words ending in -ed, etc. She could not be sent off to read them alone. (Still skips important small words occasionally). She also will skip whole lines, if I was not there to catch her! The lit guides are going well! However, we also tried the PL plans for 2nd, and after only 3 weeks, I can see that the SC schedule will be better.........

    That leaves us, mostly in SC4, with question of lit books. She will do R&S3 and AAS...it seems the SC track will “fit” us best, even if it is not all the subjects.. I wanted to do mammals, so happy that is in there!
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    P.s., I can’t wait for Cheryl to walk into this thread and see us all chatting it up! . (When she is able, of course!!)
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    I don't have any expectations of handing my son a book and saying, "read the next chapter and we'll discuss it" anytime in the near future. And that's fine. Tanya said they continue to read aloud clear through high school in another thread.

    SC3 uses Core skills Phonics 3 and 4. SC4 uses Core skills Language arts 1 and 2. MP3 uses LA 3. All so very similar in title, but thought I would clearly state that for any quiet lurkers out there.

    I'm leaning towards following the SC 4 plans and holding off on LA3 until we start English Grammar Recitation (I'm thinking it will possibly appear in SC5).

    And Christine, I did the same thing with Prima. Thought I could bust it out with the MP2 plans too. Got to probably the exact same point you did and said, uh...we'll wait until this shows up in second semester again.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Colomama View Post
    I don't have any expectations of handing my son a book and saying, "read the next chapter and we'll discuss it" anytime in the near future. And that's fine. Tanya said they continue to read aloud clear through high school in another

    Yes, I do not see that happening for a long time here, it would be nice to send off, for some.......but I do not think with this child that will be totally possible....which freaks me out, because how do you sit and read every subject with said child, when there are others??


    SC3 uses Core skills Phonics 3 and 4. SC4 uses Core skills Language arts 1 and 2. MP3 uses LA 3. All so very similar in title, but thought I would clearly state that for any quiet lurkers out there.

    Good clarification!

    I'm leaning towards following the SC 4 plans and holding off on LA3 until we start English Grammar Recitation (I'm thinking it will possibly appear in SC5).

    Good point!!

    And Christine, I did the same thing with Prima. Thought I could bust it out with the MP2 plans too. Got to probably the exact same point you did and said, uh...we'll wait until this shows up in second semester

    Pretty much every time we veer off the SC path, things get dicey here...

    again.
    Good points! Comments in red! How are you feeling, btw? Do you have help? Anyone to give you a meal?
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    Quote Originally Posted by howiecram View Post
    P.s., I can’t wait for Cheryl to walk into this thread and see us all chatting it up! . (When she is able, of course!!)
    You are right. Great to see. You all take good care of each other!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Colomama View Post
    I switched Beatrix Potter and Little House. Looking back, I might even put Beatrix Potter before Courage of Sarah Noble.

    There was debate whether the Beatrix Potter books would be too young for an older student, but my son really likes them.

    That's the only switch we made. We answered all of the lit guide questions orally. I wrote the answers and then he copied 2 or 3 of the answers on his own.

    Not sure what my plan is yet for Little House. I scored it cheap on CD so he may listen to it first independently and then we'll read it together. I'm expecting that one to take us longer than scheduled.
    Colomama, this is very interesting. The Beatrix Potter Lexile is 660, while Little House is 760. Courage of Sarah Noble is 610. While not an exact science, those numbers can be revealing. If anyone wanted to attempt Beatrix Potter due to the welcoming feel of the children's story, those little stories could follow Courage of Sarah Noble.

    In SC 4 we attempt only 3 rather than 6 literature selections, and we teach them over longer periods, with shorter lessons, and Friday review, so that might help. We supplement with the "Extended Literature" easier readers for oral reading practice.

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