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    I saw in another thread that others have successfully transitioned into MP2 after SC2. C's younger sister will be in MP2 next year and IF he's ready to transition, he would be able to join her at our mini-cottage school. How will I know if he's truly ready to transition to MP2 or if he needs to continue to SC3?
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    Quote Originally Posted by jen1134 View Post
    I saw in another thread that others have successfully transitioned into MP2 after SC2. C's younger sister will be in MP2 next year and IF he's ready to transition, he would be able to join her at our mini-cottage school. How will I know if he's truly ready to transition to MP2 or if he needs to continue to SC3?
    For us, this has been reading. When your son is reading well, Spelling well, comprehending well and doing well in writing (as in, he’s sailing through SC2, not making more than 5% in errors) he’s likely ready for MP2. (Aka Also ready for Prima Latina.) Math can easily be moderated, up or down, as can Copybook, Cursive, etc.. So fluency in Language Arts is my general barometer.

    You may also look at general maturity — can he sit and do the work? MP2 is more intensive at a depth of reading that surpasses the fun books of SC2.

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    We did SC2 last year and moved to some MP2 subjects this year.

    The key is he had already finished More Storytime Treasures, ahead of the SC2 schedule.

    So he's doing grade 2 math, cursive, and reading lit guides. He's doing SC3 writing and Latin. Spelling is very challenging, we're doing SC Spelling 1

    As Anita said, consider maturity. My son works slowly with a fair amount of redirection, but also needs more breaks than a traditional student. At home I can adjust the schedule when needed (we switched the order of literature recently). You wouldn't have that ability with a cottage school. So, consider how much schedule / curriculum tweaking you're currently doing with him (pace, answering orally instead of writing, etc)
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    Quote Originally Posted by Colomama View Post
    The key is he had already finished More Storytime Treasures, ahead of the SC2 schedule.
    Depending on that maturity factor, would we skip At the Farm and start SC Storytime at Week 17 so we could complete SC More Storytime before the end of August?
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    Jen, do keep in mind that both Anita's and Colomama's boys were older at the transition. Your son is just 5 now, correct? He would be only 6 starting MP 2? Be careful planning bypassing that good oral reading, early writing, etc.

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    Quote Originally Posted by cherylswope View Post
    Jen, do keep in mind that both Anita's and Colomama's boys were older at the transition. Your son is just 5 now, correct? He would be only 6 starting MP 2? Be careful planning bypassing that good oral reading, early writing, etc.
    He's 9 (10 in October). I have a 7yo girl (8 in July) in MP 1 and another who is 5 (6 in March) doing SC1. Sorry for the confusion.
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    That makes me feel much better!

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    When my son transitioned, SC more Storytime wasn't published yet. So we just followed the traditional grade 1 schedule for it. So yes, we skipped that extra reader. He also completed the regular lit guide, but I used our experience with SC to tweak the requirements.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Colomama View Post
    When my son transitioned, SC more Storytime wasn't published yet. So we just followed the traditional grade 1 schedule for it. So yes, we skipped that extra reader. He also completed the regular lit guide, but I used our experience with SC to tweak the requirements.
    Michelle (Colomama),
    I've been meaning to ask you about a recent comment you made in a post about the difficulty level of the MP2 Lit and that you've had to alter the sequence (Beatrix Potter before Little House.) Since we are in the early stages of MP2 Lit (having taken the time to finish MSTT even though we've been moving forward in MP2 plans for spelling/phonics/math/cursive/PL, etc.) .....I wanted to just ask if you have any tips for me for my son? Do you have a different suggestion on sequencing those literature selections for MP2?

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    I switched Beatrix Potter and Little House. Looking back, I might even put Beatrix Potter before Courage of Sarah Noble.

    There was debate whether the Beatrix Potter books would be too young for an older student, but my son really likes them.

    That's the only switch we made. We answered all of the lit guide questions orally. I wrote the answers and then he copied 2 or 3 of the answers on his own.

    Not sure what my plan is yet for Little House. I scored it cheap on CD so he may listen to it first independently and then we'll read it together. I'm expecting that one to take us longer than scheduled.
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    Okay thanks!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Colomama View Post
    I switched Beatrix Potter and Little House. Looking back, I might even put Beatrix Potter before Courage of Sarah Noble.

    There was debate whether the Beatrix Potter books would be too young for an older student, but my son really likes them.

    That's the only switch we made. We answered all of the lit guide questions orally. I wrote the answers and then he copied 2 or 3 of the answers on his own.

    Not sure what my plan is yet for Little House. I scored it cheap on CD so he may listen to it first independently and then we'll read it together. I'm expecting that one to take us longer than scheduled.
    The more I look at it, and the more I read from everyone, I think it might be best to just keep C in SC track for at least another year. Even if his reading/work ethic ready for MP2, the flow of SC lessons makes more sense for the way his mind works. I was looking at Traditional Spelling 2 and there's no way he could handle/process the amount of information it has in a single week. His 7-going-on-8 sister will be fine with it, but not him.

    On top of that, in many ways I think he'll be more "at grade level" with SC3 than with MP2. For example, the way the SC Writing 2 introduces significant grammar concepts, the history focus of the read-alouds/enrichment, etc.

    So I guess my new question is: if they intro states/capitals and Latin in SC3 and SC4 finishes Prima and introduces mythology, couldn't a child transition to MP4th for New Users and just adjust the pace as needed?
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    I will also say that the reason we did MP2 lit was that my son is ahead of the SC publication schedule. If your child is finishing SC more Storytime, I would just continue to SC4. I was forced to tweak MP2, but Cheryl has already done that for you with SC4. If I could've used SC4, I would have.

    As far as completing SC4 and then switching to 4th for new users, I think that would be a jump. 4NU completes states and capitals, Latina Christiana and Christian Studies 1 in a one year pace. So you would take the second semester of those courses and stretch them to a year long. But, you would need to start at the beginning of Latina and Christian Studies because neither is started in SC4. Even for this devoted tweaker of schedules, that sounds like too much work for me.

    I think the better bet would be to decide one year at a time which courses fit your student. Don't plan too far ahead (you're planning over 2 years away). Then, you can purchase a smorgasbord of PDF schedules for the classes and pace that fit your student at the time.

    Remember, the overall goal is not to 'catch up'. The goal is to have a child that reaches THEIR personal peak. That peak is different for each child. With our different learners we need to also consider that they may need schooling past grade 12.

    I know I have caught myself counting years up in math and lamenting that he'll only get to 9th o 10th grade math by his senior year. (And that's if we don't repeat anything or slow down). But, that's me looking way too far ahead; I think we all catch ourselves doing it. I need to remind myself, one year at a time.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Colomama View Post
    I will also say that the reason we did MP2 lit was that my son is ahead of the SC publication schedule. If your child is finishing SC more Storytime, I would just continue to SC4. I was forced to tweak MP2, but Cheryl has already done that for you with SC4. If I could've used SC4, I would have.

    As far as completing SC4 and then switching to 4th for new users, I think that would be a jump. 4NU completes states and capitals, Latina Christiana and Christian Studies 1 in a one year pace. So you would take the second semester of those courses and stretch them to a year long. But, you would need to start at the beginning of Latina and Christian Studies because neither is started in SC4. Even for this devoted tweaker of schedules, that sounds like too much work for me.

    I think the better bet would be to decide one year at a time which courses fit your student. Don't plan too far ahead (you're planning over 2 years away). Then, you can purchase a smorgasbord of PDF schedules for the classes and pace that fit your student at the time.

    Remember, the overall goal is not to 'catch up'. The goal is to have a child that reaches THEIR personal peak. That peak is different for each child. With our different learners we need to also consider that they may need schooling past grade 12.

    I know I have caught myself counting years up in math and lamenting that he'll only get to 9th o 10th grade math by his senior year. (And that's if we don't repeat anything or slow down). But, that's me looking way too far ahead; I think we all catch ourselves doing it. I need to remind myself, one year at a time.

    Do what's right for your child right now, not where you want them to be in the future.
    I've never been a "grade level is important" type person but it does concern me that, at his current pace, he'll be 20 when he graduates high school. Especially since ADHD/working memory/sensory are his "only" challenges. My husband's concern is that he will feel more and more left behind, especially when his younger sister starts using all the books that he's been dying to use (Astronomy, D'Aulaire's, etc.). One of his older brothers did 4NU last year and C was very intrigued by his content subjects.

    But, I know, one year at a time. I wouldn't have even brought it up except I'm not sure how to include C and E at cottage school. All of their friends/siblings will be learning together while they sit there doing busywork/waiting for Enrichment time for 3-4 hours. Or they have to stay home and do school with Daddy for yet another year. Either way, they're left out in the cold.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Colomama View Post
    I will also say that the reason we did MP2 lit was that my son is ahead of the SC publication schedule. If your child is finishing SC more Storytime, I would just continue to SC4. I was forced to tweak MP2, but Cheryl has already done that for you with SC4. If I could've used SC4, I would have.

    As far as completing SC4 and then switching to 4th for new users, I think that would be a jump. 4NU completes states and capitals, Latina Christiana and Christian Studies 1 in a one year pace. So you would take the second semester of those courses and stretch them to a year long. But, you would need to start at the beginning of Latina and Christian Studies because neither is started in SC4. Even for this devoted tweaker of schedules, that sounds like too much work for me.

    I think the better bet would be to decide one year at a time which courses fit your student. Don't plan too far ahead (you're planning over 2 years away). Then, you can purchase a smorgasbord of PDF schedules for the classes and pace that fit your student at the time.

    Remember, the overall goal is not to 'catch up'. The goal is to have a child that reaches THEIR personal peak. That peak is different for each child. With our different learners we need to also consider that they may need schooling past grade 12.

    I know I have caught myself counting years up in math and lamenting that he'll only get to 9th o 10th grade math by his senior year. (And that's if we don't repeat anything or slow down). But, that's me looking way too far ahead; I think we all catch ourselves doing it. I need to remind myself, one year at a time.

    Do what's right for your child right now, not where you want them to be in the future.
    I get very upset about Clara being behind grade level, too. She is 9 with a September birthday, and I think that she is probably around the level of Jen's son. She could actually be the youngest 4th grader in Colorado schools with her birthday as it is, but fortunately we did not push her into school the moment she could go. She started kindergarten with the kids who are now 3rd graders, and she would have been the oldest 3rd grader in her class, but her writing and spelling are so atrocious that she could never go into 3rd grade now. I also thought that she was doing great with math, and it turns out that she has been adding and subtracting using her fingers all of this time and cannot understand the concept of multiple digit addition and subtraction. At least now I know why it has been taking her so long to do her math work. I am doubting that she will ever get to calculus. I am actually doubting that with my older, non-special needs daughter, too! You have very good advice, here, though. I also might add that when I took my oldest out of school after 2nd grade we tried doing MP Accelerated 3rd, which is kind of like 4th for new users. It was a lot of work, especially if they have to write out all the answers for Greek Myths, the literature guides, Christian Studies, English Grammar recitation, Astronomy and States and Capitals. My older daughter could not handle that much writing and she has no difficulties with dyslexia or dysgraphia.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Colomama View Post
    I switched Beatrix Potter and Little House. Looking back, I might even put Beatrix Potter before Courage of Sarah Noble.

    There was debate whether the Beatrix Potter books would be too young for an older student, but my son really likes them.

    That's the only switch we made. We answered all of the lit guide questions orally. I wrote the answers and then he copied 2 or 3 of the answers on his own.

    Not sure what my plan is yet for Little House. I scored it cheap on CD so he may listen to it first independently and then we'll read it together. I'm expecting that one to take us longer than scheduled.
    We’re going to do this kind of shuffle as well.

    There was some lamenting awhile back on the K-8 Board from a cottage school teacher about how challenging Little House (... In The Big Woods by Laura Ingalls Wilder — not to be confused with The Little House by Virginia Lee Burton) was for her second grade class. She practically demanded it be dropped from the MP2 course guides because she felt it was far too difficult for a Second Grader in the context of a once-per-week cottage school (which always reminds me of cheese...? Cottage school/ cottage cheese. My brain is fascinating labrynth of synonyms).

    Agree or disagree: my point is that Little House may be read alone, read aloud, team read, listened to on Audible, delayed for another grade, or (IMO) skipped altogether for an SC student. My daughter will devour it; my son will need some hand-holding. Both approaches are valid.
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    Quote Originally Posted by jejegreer View Post
    I get very upset about Clara being behind grade level, too. She is 9 with a September birthday, and I think that she is probably around the level of Jen's son. She could actually be the youngest 4th grader in Colorado schools with her birthday as it is, but fortunately we did not push her into school the moment she could go. She started kindergarten with the kids who are now 3rd graders, and she would have been the oldest 3rd grader in her class, but her writing and spelling are so atrocious that she could never go into 3rd grade now. I also thought that she was doing great with math, and it turns out that she has been adding and subtracting using her fingers all of this time and cannot understand the concept of multiple digit addition and subtraction. At least now I know why it has been taking her so long to do her math work. I am doubting that she will ever get to calculus. I am actually doubting that with my older, non-special needs daughter, too! You have very good advice, here, though. I also might add that when I took my oldest out of school after 2nd grade we tried doing MP Accelerated 3rd, which is kind of like 4th for new users. It was a lot of work, especially if they have to write out all the answers for Greek Myths, the literature guides, Christian Studies, English Grammar recitation, Astronomy and States and Capitals. My older daughter could not handle that much writing and she has no difficulties with dyslexia or dysgraphia.
    I never got to Calculus and my life turned out pretty great I was also the oldest, tallest and fattest child in every grade I showed up for. I balanced all that — ahem — “advantage” by getting straight A’s, being precociously gifted in Literature and audaciously slow and uncoordinated (read: “excessively sweaty”) in sports. (Wow, beautiful AND popular! good times, good times) I barely got into a minor league college, managed to graduate with honors (in five years instead of four) and was so broke my first five years out of school that I had to eat canned vegetables for dinner. But at least I had the support of my family! (I didn’t.)

    Yet, here I am, four kids and a fantastic husband later, giving (completely unsolicited) advice to perfect strangers on the internet. A few people have even thanked me for it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jen1134 View Post
    I've never been a "grade level is important" type person but it does concern me that, at his current pace, he'll be 20 when he graduates high school. Especially since ADHD/working memory/sensory are his "only" challenges. My husband's concern is that he will feel more and more left behind, especially when his younger sister starts using all the books that he's been dying to use (Astronomy, D'Aulaire's, etc.). One of his older brothers did 4NU last year and C was very intrigued by his content subjects.

    But, I know, one year at a time. I wouldn't have even brought it up except I'm not sure how to include C and E at cottage school. All of their friends/siblings will be learning together while they sit there doing busywork/waiting for Enrichment time for 3-4 hours. Or they have to stay home and do school with Daddy for yet another year. Either way, they're left out in the cold.
    Hey Jen! Are you talking about your now 5 year old? Hmmmm .....well, my now 9th grader will be 19.5 when he graduates. He has a local (super smart) classically educated peer who will be 19 when he graduates, as well. These boys have, at times, become discouraged when some in the local homeschool community graduate their teens early at (say) 17 and move them along to the local junior college. But those same kids never came close to having all this rich Latin, history, and advanced study that my son and his peer/friend will have had. I am actually THRILLED my son will be older. Then again, when we decided to add a year between his 8th grade and 9th grade years (although he did 9th grade work during that time) we sat down and talked about it. I was really surprised he didn't care that much to be older. Maybe deep down inside he knew he needed that gift of another year. (In the same way he's not chomping at the bit to get behind the wheel even though he's now 16. Ha!)

    Well, you know a lot about executive function and I'm sure you have read all the research about the prefrontal cortex development and maturity.

    It's okay to be smart AND older when one graduates. I guess that's the gist of what I'm saying. It's a double whammy plus!

    SusanP

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