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    Simply Classical Level 4 Book List

    SC 4 includes components from MP 3 and MP 2 along with resources unique to SC 4.

    □ Simply Classical Level 4 Curriculum Manual
    □ Prima Latina DVD
    □ Prima Latina Flashcards
    □ Prima Latina Copybook
    □ Traditional Spelling Book One Teacher’s Manual
    □ Traditional Spelling Book One Student Book
    □ Traditional Spelling Book One Practice Sheets
    □ R&S Math 2, Unit 4 Student Workbook
    □ R&S Math 2, Unit 5 Student Workbook
    □ Flash Kids Addition Flash Cards
    □ Flash Kids Subtraction Flash Cards
    □ Flashkids Multiplication Flash Cards
    □ Flashkids Division Flash Cards
    □ Core Skills: Language Arts 1
    □ Core Skills: Language Arts 2
    □ Animal Folk Tales novel
    □ Animal Folk Tales Student Guide
    □ Animal Folk Tales Teacher Guide
    □ The Courage of Sarah Noble novel
    □ Courage of Sarah Noble Student Guide
    □ Courage of Sarah Noble Teacher Guide
    □ Little House in the Big Woods novel
    □ Little House in the Big Woods Student Guide
    □ Little House in the Big Woods Teacher Guide
    □ Second Grade Literature Dictionary
    □ New American Cursive 2: Famous Quotations and Scripture
    □ My Thankfulness Journal: Beginner
    □ My Nature Journal
    □ Composition & Sketchbook II
    □ Sleeping Beauty
    □ Beauty and the Beast
    □ King Midas and the Golden Touch
    □ Cupid and Psyche
    □ Persephone
    □ Pegasus
    □ The Trojan Horse
    □ What Is the Animal Kingdom?
    □ What Is a Mammal?
    □ Mammals Teacher Guide
    □ Mammals Student Guide
    □ The World of Animals
    □ Heroes, Horses, and Harvest Moons: A Cornucopia of Best-Loved Poems, Vol 1 CD
    □ Don't Know Much About the 50 States

    New Users Will Need:
    □ R&S Math 2, Teacher's Manual Units 3-5
    □ Prima Latina Teacher Manual
    □ Prima Latina Student Book
    □ Prima Latina CD
    □ States & Capitals Flashcards
    □ Map of the U.S. Sticker Picture Book

    Optional Reading Sets for Further Reading Practice:
    □ SC 2 Extended Literature Set (may also be useful in SC 3 or 4)
    □ SC 4 Extended Literature Set


    SC 4 is similar in structure to MP 2 but with modifications to create a higher level of study in several areas, especially U.S. history and geography, mammals, Mozart, and mythology.

    SC 4 vs. MP 2
    Similarities
    -Both are modeled after the excellent curriculum of Highlands Latin School.
    -Both allow a student to transfer successfully and fully to MP 3 following either program. (See tips below.)
    -Both provide strong foundations in reading, writing, and arithmetic.
    -Both include enrichment in music, art, science, poetry, geography, and literature.
    -Both use cursive instruction at the level of NAC 2.
    -Both are fully customizable, so you can exchange any subject up or down as needed to individualize for your student(s).
    -Both are easy to teach.
    -Both offer essential elements of a classical curriculum: Latin, grammar, poetry, natural science, and more.
    -Both provide consistent memory work with the Holy Scriptures to nurture the faith of the child(ren).
    -Both offer Individual Lesson Plans for anyone who needs only a few subjects.
    -Both provide carefully selected resources to emphasize the true, the good, and the beautiful.

    Differences
    -More Multi-Modal: SC 4 includes more multi-sensory teaching techniques. While many MP students do not require these and might even become distracted by them, many of our SC students benefit from teaching with multiple modalities and providing additional practice not dependent upon writing to stimulate attention through new practice for the purpose of "over-teaching" and to strengthen automaticity especially in reading, spelling, writing, Latin, and arithmetic.
    -Lighter Load: SC 4 is 4-day with a much lighter 5th day to allow for any needed therapies, in-person music lessons (encouraged), physical activity, or “down time” to explore interests, whereas MP 2 is a 5-day program.
    -Internally Customizable: In SC 4, customization within the level can occur via 5th-day Review lessons for students who need more review, and 5th-day Delve Deeply lessons provided for students who need more challenge.
    -More Over-Teaching: SC 4 provides more incremental, explicit teaching and review in the key areas of reading, spelling, arithmetic, and writing. We assume less proficiency in these areas than does MP 2. Traditional Spelling Book One with added multi-modal lessons serves to review the phonics learned in SC 1-3, the spelling learned in Simply Classical Spelling: Books One and Two, and master new spelling words, rules, and patterns with extra word study for linguistic advancement. With an entire year devoted to Rod & Staff Arithmetic 2, Units 4 and 5, along with continued practice in +/- facts, students master foundations of arithmetic. In Core Skills: Language Arts 1 and 2, we review everything taught in Simply Classical Writing: Books One and Two while giving step-by-step practice and “over-teaching” in composition and grammar.
    Children with special needs often have notorious difficulties with written expression. We seek to reverse this!
    -Adapted HLS: MP 2 follows the Highlands Latin School curriculum more closely, whereas SC 4 differs in some areas as needed
    -Aural and Visual: SC 4 includes fewer writing requirements than in MP 2 with both Christian Studies and poetry lessons aural, visual, and without written assignments. The music of Mozart is impressed upon the minds of students throughout SC 4.
    -Adapted Literature: SC 4 offers two fewer literature sets (Prairie School, Beatrix Potter). Prairie School was covered in SC 3, and Beatrix Potter was omitted for these reasons: the older age of some of our SC students, our SC students’ need to study fewer subjects with greater depth, and our 4-day weeks. NOTE: If students want or need additional reading practice, we recommend adding our SC 2 or SC 4 Extended Literature Sets or Beatrix Potter with MP Teacher and Student Guide.
    -8-Week Extension: SC 4 offers a free 8-week extension for students who need extra instruction or review before progressing to MP 3 or SC 5. This is included in the SC 4 package.
    -Some Advanced Studies: As is our custom, SC 4 provides more advanced, age-suitable studies than in the MP-age equivalent to accommodate our older or "asynchronous" SC students and to compensate for the necessarily lower “grade level” in core skill areas of reading, spelling, writing, and arithmetic. In SC 4, this translates to an introduction to mythology, an in-depth study of mammals, continued lessons in US history, civics, and geography, and great familiarity with Mozart. In this way no student needs to feel “behind” when studying SC 4. Instead, his foundation will be stronger while he advances in knowledge.

    Seven Tips for Moving from SC Level 4 to MP 3
    1. Strengthen spelling, phonics, oral reading, and independent work habits.
    2. Strengthen mastery of +/- facts. Expect to teach R&S 3 more slowly than assigned in MP 3 if needed.
    3. Be sure your child's writing skills are strong, or be ready to adapt MP 3 by substituting oral work.
    4. Read aloud (both fiction and non-fiction) to improve attention, comprehension, and vocabulary.
    5. Use the 8-week extension provided in SC 4, or condense to 4-week review before beginning MP 3.
    6. Remember all of the multi-sensory strategies learned from teaching SC 4 and use in MP 3 when needed. Often the MP guides will list many games and practice activities in the front or back of the guides. Implement as many as needed.
    7. Remember all of the “over-teaching” strategies learned from teaching SC 4 and use in MP 3 whenever needed.

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    Exhaustive and clear — thanks, Cheryl ❤️ I think you’ve answered almost all of our possible questions (I say “almost” because, well, you know...)

    We are beginning MP2 in a few weeks and this was very helpful as MP3 looms a bit largely on the horizon. MP3 feels more intimidating because so many of the moms on the boards have stated over and over things like “Third Grade is when things ‘get real’” or that this is the time when many kids “hit the wall” — and those are non-struggling learners! So I greatly appreciate the “permission” to do it “our way”. I don’t explicitly need it, but it’s nice to have .
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    Thanks, Anita.

    Colomama gets the prize for detective work! In another thread, she figured out nearly all of the components through forum posts over the past few months.

    Thank you to all, because this level is such a team effort!

    -Christine with the suggestion of Mammals and other things,
    -JeJe with VAKT requests for Latin,
    -several mamas whose children were not quite ready for the illustrations or content of D'Aulaires,
    -sfhargett for composition suggestions,
    -Anita for reminding us to provide clear and easy transitions to MP Classical Core for any child who is ready,
    -Colomama noticing the need for additional built-in +/- fact practice and continued visual aids in arithmetic,
    -Dianna and others whose children need dyslexia-specific auditory/visual spelling, reading, and writing
    -MP staff: Michael S, Michelle T, Paul, Tanya, Jessica, Dayna, Allie, Ryan, for formatting, design, images, and so much more.


    News:
    In SC 5, we will begin the big MP 3 integrated studies of Timeline, Christian Studies, and more. Our students will be ready!

    Big News:
    We will go all the way to SC 12! Inspired by one of JeJe's comments and designed to meet the needs of as many children as possible, the new progression looks like this:

    Readiness A, B, C
    Primary 1, 2, 3
    Grammar 4, 5, 6
    Scholar 7, 8, 9, 10
    Advanced 11, 12

    If anyone reading here has a favorite level and would be willing to review on the MP site, this would be very much appreciated.

    We will provide more information, samples, etc. when all is ready!

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    Cheryl

    While I'm no where needing SC4 I want to Thank You for all the loving care and work you put into every level of SC.
    And now for my question.

    You said in SC5 we will begin the big MP3 integrated studies of Timeline, Christian Studies and more.

    I did not see Christian Studies listed for SC4. Is this correct? Or is it in the curriculum manual?

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    Thank you, Sharon.

    SC 4 was already packed with writing, so we decided to teach Christian studies, music, and poetry without written requirements. Students do, indeed, engage in Christian studies throughout SC 4, but unlike SC 2 and SC 3, they do not have writing books to accompany these studies.

    In some ways, this might be more effective, because it takes a chronological approach (creation, prophecy, incarnation, resurrection, ascension) directly from Holy Scripture. We did this in our home one year with great impact. Students learn larger passages from Holy Scripture this year, and they spend more time on each. Multum non multa is the hallmark of this level. You will see this in Christian studies, Mozart selections, poetry memorization, and more.

    For anyone who has not yet studied Bible stories extensively, as we have done in SC 1, 2, 3, we encourage such study through previous SC resources in our Teacher Notes. Students return to a more in-depth coverage of biblical events in SC 5.

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    So excited!

    I noticed no SC Writing 3 or Christian Studies as well. I'm assuming Christian Studies was left blank so students could transition into MP 3 if desired the next year.

    Which Bible is used this year?

    Is writing just in the lit guides, or are we transitioning to the writing tablet?

    I'm so excited! I like the different levels you described.
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    By now our SC students have had more years of Bible stories than most, so we thought the stronger emphasis on Scripture memory would suit this level well. They will have cards with passages to learn. All is included in the Curriculum Manual, so although you do not see a separate program listed, it is there. Part of the effort was to minimize costs and reduce the need for extra guides, so much is packed into the Curriculum Manual itself. And then, yes, we can begin "fresh" in SC 5 with Christian Studies I.

    Writing and composition will come primarily in Core Skills: Language Arts 1 and 2. These will review and expand on SC Writing 1 and 2. Students will also write in the Literature Guides, in Traditional Spelling including the TS practice sheets, in Prima Latina, in Mammals, in My Thankfulness Journal, in My Nature Journal, and in NAC 2: Famous Quotations & Scripture. Students will be drawing quite a bit in SC 4 too.

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    I'm actually delighted to see this, the lack of a separate writing program.

    And the use of core skills during the school year instead of just the summer review period is a delight as well.

    Overall, the booklist is just what I was hoping for. Job well done combining all of our feedback into a cohesive curriculum. 😀
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    Quote Originally Posted by cherylswope View Post
    By now our SC students have had more years of Bible stories than most, so we thought the stronger emphasis on Scripture memory would suit this level well. They will have cards with passages to learn. All is included in the Curriculum Manual, so although you do not see a separate program listed, it is there. Part of the effort was to minimize costs and reduce the need for extra guides, so much is packed into the Curriculum Manual itself. And then, yes, we can begin "fresh" in SC 5 with Christian Studies I.

    Writing and composition will come primarily in Core Skills: Language Arts 1 and 2. These will review and expand on SC Writing 1 and 2. Students will also write in the Literature Guides, in Traditional Spelling including the TS practice sheets, in Prima Latina, in Mammals, in My Thankfulness Journal, in My Nature Journal, and in NAC 2: Famous Quotations & Scripture. Students will be drawing quite a bit in SC 4 too.
    Are we repeating NAC2 from SC3? I know I have more questions, but I am very excited about this. We are hit with a family shared cold (complete with every 4 hours breathing treatments and steroids for my already energetic son...,he was literally bouncing off the walls the other night!). So, I am headed to bed shortly!

    Also, would it be possible to have the R&S Flashcards (Not the big ones) included, instead of the flash kids? We find them very hard to use. You need both sides, but there are problems like 15-12...you can not pull them out, because a problem you need is on the other side. The two colors are distracting and my daughter and I are struggling using these.
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    I think there are 2 versions of NAC 2.

    I abhor those flash kids cards too. They're trying to keep costs down, but seriously dollar store flashcards are better than those things. I second the small rod and staff cards, but I've been on that soapbox for over a year now...

    Hope you all feel better soon. Nebulizers do that to my son too...it's like speed.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Colomama View Post
    I think there are 2 versions of NAC 2.

    I abhor those flash kids cards too. They're trying to keep costs down, but seriously dollar store flashcards are better than those things. I second the small rod and staff cards, but I've been on that soapbox for over a year now...

    Hope you all feel better soon. Nebulizers do that to my son too...it's like speed.
    Thanks! There are two versions, but maybe we are doing the wrong one this year then! We are doing NAC 2: famous quotes!
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    I am curious approximately what MP grade level work would an SC student get to, if they finished SC12? Would there ever be another good jumping out point like SC4 to MP3?

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    Quote Originally Posted by howiecram View Post
    Thanks! There are two versions, but maybe we are doing the wrong one this year then! We are doing NAC 2: famous quotes!
    Ok, I figured out we are doing famous quotes from famous Americans this year, so yes, the one scheduled next is “the other one! “

    A question regarding the Prima Copybook! I see it will be included in SC4. However, it is schedule in SC3 in the summer review, and included in SC3. Will people need a second copy? I know new users will need it!

    Lastly, I thought I recall you mentioning “creating Art” being included? Did you decide against this one?
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    Ah, flash cards. I will see if we can swap those for R&S small. Thanks.

    Yes, NAC 2 in SC 3 correlates with the Quotes from American history, because of our American history emphasis in SC 3. We're using NAC 2 Scripture in SC 4 to review letter formation and continue the same font size, but with different content linked more to Christian Studies.

    Creating Art -- you are right. Once considered but now deferred to SC 5, the heavier focus on Mesopotamia, Charlotte's Web, etc. will better match our students' minds and studies in SC 5.

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    PL Copybook is being removed from SC 3 and saved for full use in SC 4. The website does not yet reflect this, but it is changed in the new SC 3 plans that people order. If your daughter has not yet started it, she can wait. Knowing how eager she is, she may have already begun! If so, you can decide whether to wait or re-order for SC 4. (My daughter loved cursive copybooks and I knew they were good for her, so we still have stacks of completed MP Copybooks on our shelves!)

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    Quote Originally Posted by cherylswope View Post
    Creating Art -- you are right. Once considered but now deferred to SC 5, the heavier focus on Mesopotamia, Charlotte's Web, etc. will better match our students' minds and studies in SC 5.
    That is actually a relief! I am ok with waiting another year! It is a lovely book, but I did not think she would be ready.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Miah View Post
    I am curious approximately what MP grade level work would an SC student get to, if they finished SC12? Would there ever be another good jumping out point like SC4 to MP3?
    Hi, Miah. We are working on an SC Overview chart to show the exact progression and ending point in a full SC education. We plan to share this @ Sodalitas and make it available on the SC main page.

    We are also working on a chart to show which MP level follows each SC level. This is nearly ready, so if you have a question about a specific level, we can answer that.
    Examples:
    After SC C, proceed to either SC 1 or MP K.
    After SC 1, proceed to either SC 2 or MP 1.

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    Quote Originally Posted by cherylswope View Post
    PL Copybook is being removed from SC 3 and saved for full use in SC 4. The website does not yet reflect this, but it is changed in the new SC 3 plans that people order. If your daughter has not yet started it, she can wait. Knowing how eager she is, she may have already begun! If so, you can decide whether to wait or re-order for SC 4. (My daughter loved cursive copybooks and I knew they were good for her, so we still have stacks of completed MP Copybooks on our shelves!)
    I'm just not sure where Latin will take us! She has watched Lesson 1, 2x...(the first because I was previewing, the 2nd as her "lesson"). She's walking around the house using her new 5 words. Her brother was playing with cars and using our balance beam for the road. She walks by and says "do you know that is called "via" in Latin. She already has all 5 words mastered, on day 2. I know that as the lessons progress and more words are added, she may not keep the same pace, so we are cautiously moving faster than the SC plans. I am considering purchasing the PL plans for 2nd grade and working at that speed, unless/until I see that she is struggling. It will put is in an odd place, but again, I'll cross that bridge if/when we get to it.
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    This looks awesome! I have no idea where we'll be academically this fall or what track we'll be doing, but it's definitely a consideration for us. We won't be to MP3 by then, that's for sure.

    I really like that you are staying with NAC 2 for a second year, that makes so much sense for special needs kiddos. It's also exciting that you anticipate 12 levels!
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    I’ve never seen the small Rod and Staff flash cards though I do own the large ones. In my quest to make flash cards a bit more manageable around here with lots of kids at different levels, I found these flash cards and they’re amazing! They are already hole punched, come with rings and have each fact on its own heavy duty card. One side has the answers one side doesn’t.

    https://www.amazon.com/gp/aw/d/B01M0JHRKW?psc=1

    They have sets available for addition, subtraction, multiplication and division. My kids love them too!
    (I had ordered the Flashkids cards and disliked them so much that I ordered these, now I’m drowning in flash cards &#128514

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