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    Quote Originally Posted by Colomama View Post
    As a funny aside, the school special ed teacher is doing his achievement test. Refer to this lady and her remediation for spelling 'tank' in earlier post. So, she hands him a paragraph to read and then asks some comprehension questions afterward. This reading was clearly about a Baobab Tree, given the questions she was asking. She asks what kind of soil the tree likes to live in. My son, clearly not having actually read the paragraph, says "I don't know". She says, "well, what did the story say?" He answers, " I don't know. But I know that tree lives in Africa. So...it likes to live in African soil. Yeah, African soil is my answer" the teacher is speechless. My son realizes she still doesn't like his answer so he says, "African soil is desert soil. The tree likes dry sandy soil". This is the correct answer on her little sheet so she moves on to the next question. He continues to give random, but accurate answers. He clearly knows more about this tree than is included in the story and more than this lady knows. She's exasperated and asks how he knows anything about this random tree in Africa. His answer? "I'm homeschooled, my mama taught me that stuff." Ha!
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    Colomama, YES! ^^^^^
    High fives there. What superb reasoning skills!
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    As a funny aside, the school special ed teacher is doing his achievement test. Refer to this lady and her remediation for spelling 'tank' in earlier post. So, she hands him a paragraph to read and then asks some comprehension questions afterward. This reading was clearly about a Baobab Tree, given the questions she was asking. She asks what kind of soil the tree likes to live in. My son, clearly not having actually read the paragraph, says "I don't know". She says, "well, what did the story say?" He answers, " I don't know. But I know that tree lives in Africa. So...it likes to live in African soil. Yeah, African soil is my answer" the teacher is speechless. My son realizes she still doesn't like his answer so he says, "African soil is desert soil. The tree likes dry sandy soil". This is the correct answer on her little sheet so she moves on to the next question. He continues to give random, but accurate answers. He clearly knows more about this tree than is included in the story and more than this lady knows. She's exasperated and asks how he knows anything about this random tree in Africa. His answer? "I'm homeschooled, my mama taught me that stuff." Ha!
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    Update to child psych visit:

    Just had our follow up after our visit with the child psych last week.

    She said he showed clear signs of ADHD and clear signs of anxiety. She recommended talk therapy to address both issues, but also offered medication if we wanted to go that route along with therapy.

    She also said he showed multiple signs of ASD and recommended a full Autism evaluation. As we were talking last week, I could clearly hear myself listing ASD symptoms, so this isn't a huge shocker. I've had the weekend to digest it, but it still seems unexpected.

    The ADHD is a surprise, kind of. Yes, he's easily distracted and fidgety, but he's not bouncing off the walls (he's more likely to roll around on the floor in a tantrum). I guess I had always seen this as willful disobedience, not mental health or learning disability related. The doc offered meds, but I would like to try other options first.

    So, for you other mama's already on this path. What would you recommend to help him with ADHD? The doc recommended 15 minute work times and 5 minute breaks, but it's soooo hard to get him back from breaks.

    What about anxiety? I'm totally baffled by this. Yes, he gets anxious, but I have no idea how to help him with this. I would think I already just naturally address it by giving lots of warning for upcoming events and discussing things.

    And ASD. Wow. Totally new with that one. I'm not even sure I know fully what it entails. It seems such a huge umbrella. His issues seem to be delayed social skills, cognitive delay, fixation on an idea /topic, and sensory issues.

    Ideas? Tips/tricks?
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    That is a lot to absorb! We are in similar shoes, but I only have 1 thing to chime in on. A 5 min "break" does not necessarily mean you send child away for 5 min. It can still be directed. Add in sensory and movement activities and see what you can get done while "moving". But don't necessarily "stop".
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    Wow, Michelle. Speaking from experience, I wouldn't even worry about strategies for the moment. This is a lot to take in.

    As you said, you expected "something," but not quite all of this. Even though it might make sense in many ways, it is a lot to swallow.

    We can help, of course, with tricks & tips, but first take the weekend to absorb.

    Read and reread that written report when you get it. Know that some recommendations will border on boiler-plate (15 min work, 5 min break) and might not apply with full-day homeschooling. YOU already know him well, diagnoses or not, so keep what is already working. For now, it might be good to plan something non-academic, no-pressure this weekend to remember he is still the little boy you know and love.

    Then re-group, and we can fill you with those ASD/ADHD/anxiety teaching/parenting tips.

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    She also asked if it was reasonable to teach him by him self to reduce distractions from siblings. Um no, there's not enough time in the day. You wouldn't ask a classroom teacher to do that.

    I like the idea of taking a scheduled break, with scheduled activity. Ive always thought of busy boxes for toddlers and preschoolers. But how to do it with a nearly 10 year old?

    That's it! We'll all be millionaires! Busy boxes for older kids with special needs. Same ideas as the preschool variety, but with more mature content. Ha!

    Agreed with taking things slowly and digesting. It's hard not to rush into problem solving mode. But that tends to lean towards triage solutions, not long term care and we need to think longer-term.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Colomama View Post

    I like the idea of taking a scheduled break, with scheduled activity. Ive always thought of busy boxes for toddlers and preschoolers. But how to do it with a nearly 10 year old?

    That's it! We'll all be millionaires! Busy boxes for older kids with special needs. Same ideas as the preschool variety, but with more mature content. Ha!
    .
    Yes! I'm in very early stages of working on developing this idea, actually! (and by early stages, I mean, it is still in my head! LOL).

    In my opinion, the boxes need to be "too easy", but still age appropriate. Check out "quiet" boxes online for some ideas as well.
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    Both of mine had (have) ASD, ADHD, anxiety.

    Beginning about age ten, breaks were best accomplished in the form of quick chores. One child emptied the dishwasher and ran dishtowels to the laundry, while the other gathered the household trash to place in the outside can. Everybody had water, quick restroom break if needed, then back to work.

    This kept things flowing in the household, provided movement, but did not let things slip away altogether. Other times we all ran outside for a quick game of "soccer" in the backyard. The key to a quick break for them is that I do not think of it as a break for me too. When longer breaks can be taken, everyone (myself included) retreats to his/her own room or quiet area.

    As howiecram said, sometimes the "break" is simply doing something else. For us, simple things made a big difference and became incorporated into our "movement diet" each day: sharpening pencils for the next activity, organizing materials, moving from one setting to the next.

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    Quote Originally Posted by howiecram View Post
    Yes! I'm in very early stages of working on developing this idea, actually! (and by early stages, I mean, it is still in my head! LOL).

    In my opinion, the boxes need to be "too easy", but still age appropriate. Check out "quiet" boxes online for some ideas as well.

    I sense a collaborative Colomama/howiecram Sodalitas session coming on ....

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    Ha! Cheryl you're on to me!

    My brain is already circling there. People clamored for the crafts bags this summer...imagine the ruckus over these. MP will have to move us to the main conference room!
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    That is a lot to process. I'm pretty sure A is on the ASD spectrum somewhere in the high functioning area but we don't have a diagnosis yet. But he does have dx of ADHD and anxiety. Even when you expect the results, it can be tough to have the words on paper.

    The Mislabeled Child is a book that goes through a variety of conditions -- I know ADHD and autism are in there. When we got his ADHD diagnosis, Taking Charge of ADHD by Russell Barkley, and Smart but Scattered (can't remember the author) were the book recommendations. Also Homeschooling Your Struggling Learner by Kathy Kuhl.

    If you google "Brain Breaks" you can likely come up with physical activities that could be used for breaks. Basically cards with physical activities on them -- jumping jacks, etc. Sometimes you can find themed ones - like Superheros, etc. I keep on meaning to find, print, and laminate some, but I haven't gotten around to it.

    A is just starting talk therapy - so I can't speak to how helpful it is. He does take meds, but ADHD treatment is supposed to be most effective when you get behavioral interventions in place first and then add meds (I think).

    I do have to teach A reading, spelling, and math in a room alone with a closed door. It makes our days very long, but it's the only way he manages. But everything else we do together.

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    Quote Originally Posted by cherylswope View Post
    Wow, Michelle. Speaking from experience, I wouldn't even worry about strategies for the moment. This is a lot to take in.

    As you said, you expected "something," but not quite all of this. Even though it might make sense in many ways, it is a lot to swallow.

    We can help, of course, with tricks & tips, but first take the weekend to absorb.

    Read and reread that written report when you get it. Know that some recommendations will border on boiler-plate (15 min work, 5 min break) and might not apply with full-day homeschooling. YOU already know him well, diagnoses or not, so keep what is already working. For now, it might be good to plan something non-academic, no-pressure this weekend to remember he is still the little boy you know and love.

    Then re-group, and we can fill you with those ASD/ADHD/anxiety teaching/parenting tips.
    This. And when you get back from this...

    I am almost positive that if we got a full work up done on our oldest two children that they would undoubtedly come back with a diagnosis of ASD and either ADD or ADHD. We have not pursued a formal diagnosis for a variety of reasons (too long to expand upon here) but I am still satisfied that we do not need one. (***Disclaimer: We decided this as a family. It is not necessarily what I advise for everyone, nor am I unaware of the risk involved. This was a decision made with eyes wide open. And no regrets. So take that FWIW.***) Let me address these (from my humble perspective) a piece at a time:

    ASD
    This is almost a misleading Dx nowadays. ASD has become such a huge umbrella — far from the binary Dx it was years ago — that I’m pretty sure I would be eligible for the high-functioning end of the Spectrum. This is absolutely not a dismissal of the valid struggle that individuals with ASD face. It’s just a reminder that ASD does not = the end of the world. It serves to shed light on how your son processes and observes things and how that might color his behavior and learning; it’s a tool, not damnation. It might not indicate much of anything about the fantastic, independent young man he has the potential to be. It just means you have a temperament and physiology to keep in mind as you help him become that young man.

    ASD (as I have navigated from our personal experiences) has been a challenge, but also a gift. Our children don’t lie. (They can’t lie.) They are honest, fair, just, humble and far — FAR — less interested in the sensitive and morally challenging things that many typical children are. They accept others as they are and (to my memory) have never made a nasty moral judgment (“He’s ugly.” “She’s fat.” “They’re stupid.”) about anyone. They are loyal, loving, straightforward; there is no guile in them (unless you count sneaking an extra piece of candy when my back is turned — something they will readily fess up to and grin about).

    Yes: tantrums
    Yes: the inability to tolerate transitions well
    Yes: anxiety about the unknown
    Yes: comprehension struggles
    Yes: certain “perseverations” and mild “stims”
    Yes: freaking out at the barber shop when the clippers get near their ears
    Yes: screaming as infants, toddlers, up to 6 years old when having their hair washed
    Yes: taking forever to potty train
    Yes: belligerence and stubbornness regarding even the smallest disagreements
    Yes: self harm (slapping their heads, scratching themselves) when agitated (not nearly severe enough to warrant medical attention, BTW)
    Yes: speech and motor delays
    Yes: full on screaming fits if we turn an unexpected way in the car
    Yes: ditto having to stop at a gas station

    Yes... Piety
    Yes: unconditional love
    Yes: beautiful, authentic, million-dollar smiles
    Yes: enthusiasm and delight over the smallest joys
    Yes: dogged loyalty to and empathy for loved ones
    Yes: serious love for their siblings
    Yes: understanding holiness as an ideal rather than an imposition

    I could go on (and on). But ASD has meant (for us) that things went slower — much slower — than they did for non-ASD kids. But the joy has not been snuffed out by the struggle. It’s been savored a little differently. We certainly don’t take things for granted.

    ADD/ADHD and General Anxiety Disorder (GAD)
    I am of the opinion (granted, I am not a doctor!) that these latter are so often comorbid with ASD simply because they are part and parcel of it. Inattention, impulsive movement, wiggles and fidgets, along with GAD often come along with ASD because of ASD. (It’s sort of like saying someone has a chronic migraine condition, but also an acute headache disorder. To heap ADD/ADHD and GAD on top of ASD makes about as much sense.)

    ASD causes inattention because there is so much more stimuli that makes it into the consideration of the conscious brain. ASD has weakened (or in some cases removed) the filter between what we pick up with our senses and what we consider important. Typical children can tune out smells or an itchy shirt. ASD kids might not be able to. That’s not ADD/ADHD or GAD, that’s ASD, see? My son loves routine, hates transition, loves outside, has to MOVE, needs to be exercised like a thoroughbred and fed like a linebacker. If in between those navigations he gets schooling, tickles, quiet time, a movie, snuggles, a bath, a random trip in the car and Mass? We have a happy boy. But he cannot sit still for school for four hours straight. He does a few assignments and then I send him away for a bit (to another room, outside, at the other end of the table with crayons, but NEVER upstairs!) to get his sillies out. I call him back after a wise amount of time and we proceed. This helps his attention and sensory needs tremendously. But I agree with the above — 15 minutes of school and five minutes of activity sounds ... wrong.

    Speaking to the anxiety (or GAD) bit, yes, ASD and anxiety are HIGHLY comorbid. Consider your own anxiety when you are unsure of income, health, security, or simply being on time for something important. Now imagine that same stress magnified as you are unsure of simple cause and effect relationships, consequences of actions, or even how a light switch works. When things don’t turn out the way you thought, expected or are used to, you do not reflect why — you cannot reflect why because you are unable to understand. Thus, anxiety. Thus, love of routine. Thus, sometimes strict adherence to the simplest things, like how long a trip will take, how to get there and the exact same aisle turns in the grocery store in the exact same order every single time. Routine makes the world make more sense and they don’t have to expend as much energy trying to figure out what’s going on. Less anxiety, fewer tantrums. (Thankfully, the world is always changing and our children are always growing and maturing and their brain plasticity is expanding, else they would be figuratively trapped in developmental amber forever.)

    Where was I going with this? ...

    We’ve had a few Speech Pathologists in our children’s lives (years ago). One said my son would never talk; one said he needed an interdisciplinary approach with a team of at least five specialists every day of the week (when he was four); one said he would never reach reading comprehension much above 7th grade. The two former assessments have already been proven incorrect. It’s a matter of time on the third.

    Does he still technically qualify for an ASD diagnosis? Probably. Might he always? Maybe. Has that suppressed his quality of life or doomed him to a life of few achievements. ABSOLUTELY NOT. And he (and his sister) have affected so many people for the better with what they have been able to do with so much less. It has truly impacted the world for good. And it will continue to (as long as I draw breath).

    So don’t worry. This is just the beginning of a beautiful story. Maybe a different one than you though you’d write, but no less lovely.

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    Just finished our final follow-up. We have an official ASD level 2 diagnosis.

    She recommended testing for fragile x syndrome too.

    Not a huge surprise on the ASD. I'm relieved the answer wasn't 'inconclusive'.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Colomama View Post
    Update to child psych visit:

    Just had our follow up after our visit with the child psych last week.

    She said he showed clear signs of ADHD and clear signs of anxiety. She recommended talk therapy to address both issues, but also offered medication if we wanted to go that route along with therapy.

    She also said he showed multiple signs of ASD and recommended a full Autism evaluation. As we were talking last week, I could clearly hear myself listing ASD symptoms, so this isn't a huge shocker. I've had the weekend to digest it, but it still seems unexpected.

    The ADHD is a surprise, kind of. Yes, he's easily distracted and fidgety, but he's not bouncing off the walls (he's more likely to roll around on the floor in a tantrum). I guess I had always seen this as willful disobedience, not mental health or learning disability related. The doc offered meds, but I would like to try other options first.

    So, for you other mama's already on this path. What would you recommend to help him with ADHD? The doc recommended 15 minute work times and 5 minute breaks, but it's soooo hard to get him back from breaks.

    What about anxiety? I'm totally baffled by this. Yes, he gets anxious, but I have no idea how to help him with this. I would think I already just naturally address it by giving lots of warning for upcoming events and discussing things.

    And ASD. Wow. Totally new with that one. I'm not even sure I know fully what it entails. It seems such a huge umbrella. His issues seem to be delayed social skills, cognitive delay, fixation on an idea /topic, and sensory issues.

    Ideas? Tips/tricks?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Colomama View Post
    Just finished our final follow-up. We have an official ASD level 2 diagnosis.

    She recommended testing for fragile x syndrome too.

    Not a huge surprise on the ASD. I'm relieved the answer wasn't 'inconclusive'.
    At least you received the news in stages.

    And yes, clearly not inconclusive!

    ASD Level 2. Hard to swallow but good to know.

    Your homeschooling has likely been the best thing for him all along. Now you can continue by providing him 1) extra coaching in social situations, 2) the possible consideration of medication if his doctor feels your son's aggression, anxiety, or difficulties with self-control warrant it, 3) extra visuals with transitions even (especially) on vacations and in group activities, 4) well-earned praise for bite-sized successes, 5) enough good downtime to help him internally calm himself.

    He will need to be taught things that other kids just seem to know. Consider Myself & Others One or Two or both, or at least the books from them, if you do not have time to add the 14-week course.

    Buckle up. This is for the long haul. However, the good news is that now you are armed with excellent information that you can share with anyone who sees him -- e.g., his pediatrician, his OT if he needs one, and even extended family members at your discretion.

    As you know, both of my twins have ASD requiring strong support for life. An adjustment? Yes. But insurmountable? Not at all. That little boy is blessed to have you as his momma.

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    I've been thinking about you! How are YOU after your second surgery?
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    Quote Originally Posted by cherylswope View Post
    At least you received the news in stages.

    And yes, clearly not inconclusive!

    ASD Level 2. Hard to swallow but good to know.

    Your homeschooling has likely been the best thing for him all along. Now you can continue by providing him 1) extra coaching in social situations, 2) the possible consideration of medication if his doctor feels your son's aggression, anxiety, or difficulties with self-control warrant it, 3) extra visuals with transitions even (especially) on vacations and in group activities, 4) well-earned praise for bite-sized successes, 5) enough good downtime to help him internally calm himself.

    He will need to be taught things that other kids just seem to know. Consider Myself & Others One or Two or both, or at least the books from them, if you do not have time to add the 14-week course.

    Buckle up. This is for the long haul. However, the good news is that now you are armed with excellent information that you can share with anyone who sees him -- e.g., his pediatrician, his OT if he needs one, and even extended family members at your discretion.

    As you know, both of my twins have ASD requiring strong support for life. An adjustment? Yes. But insurmountable? Not at all. That little boy is blessed to have you as his momma.
    I love this.

    ........

    I’ve already said my piece. I don’t intuit that adding more would be a benefit (only a redundancy). Except to say...

    I’m not a doctor, but Fragile X seems a remote possibility. Get him tested anyway (we had our son tested) and rest in the knowledge that it’s not that. Fragile X has a set list of symptoms. If he doesn’t fit the profile, I wouldn’t worry too much about it. Again, get it worked up so you can have it done with (it comes in handy when speaking with future doctors and specialists) but don’t worry about it. When you get the funds (if ever), ask about having an EEG or MRI done (we did) to rule out latent seizure activity or brain abnormalities. While we had blood drawn for Fragile X, we also tested for a hundred other genetic issues, blood count and vitamin/mineral deficiencies. Apart from having an unusually high zinc level (at that time, The Boy was mainly eating yogurt and Cheerios, high in zinc) there was nothing found that was anything but ordinary. It cost us a low-level hospital loan payment, but it was worth it. We know Our Boy is healthy, temperament and personality issues notwithstanding. The more you can narrow down the issue, the better you can address it.

    So: you have a child with autism. Okay. Good. Now you can name the issue that seems to color so much of what your son struggles with. You *know*. That’s a good thing. Understand that underneath the rage of emotion your son often expresses, there is a sweet, bright, functional child who *knows* he’s different. His expression of emotion, aggression and anger are part and parcel of a child who is struggling to cope. He cannot express how he knows, what he knows or why. He just knows. And that scares him, angers him, makes him fearful, hinders his ability to adapt... it’s pervasive. Do all you can to be merciful, understanding and (at the same time) uncompromising with his heart. *HE* is eternal. Autism is temporal.

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    Default Re: State mandated test results

    Quote Originally Posted by howiecram View Post
    I've been thinking about you! How are YOU after your second surgery?
    My second surgery was light years better than the first. No comparison really.

    I need another follow-up after discovering another suture trying to exit through my belly button. As gag-tastic as that is, but if the hernia stays patched...I'm delighted.
    Married to DH for 13 years. Living the rural life in the Colorado mountains

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    Default Re: State mandated test results

    I have nothing to add. Definitely try to take some time to process, even when you know it is coming, these diagnoses still hit hard.

    I'm glad you're second surgery went well. It's hard to remember to take care of ourselves.

    Your special boy is still your special boy. Hugs.
    Susan

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