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    #16
    Re: State mandated test results

    Sarah, I wish you weren't half a world away. You and I would have coffee. You're always so great to hear from. Thanks for this. It was a pleasure to read.

    And congratulations on Baby #4! Hope you're feeling well!
    Boy Wonder: 10, MP2/SC4 (Special Needs)
    Joy Bubble: 8, MP2 (Special Needs)
    Snuggly Cowboy: 6, MPK
    Sweet Lightness: 2, Reverse-Engineering Specialist

    “Have no fear of moving into the unknown. Simply step out fearlessly knowing that I am with you, therefore no harm can befall you; all is very, very well. Do this in complete faith and confidence.”
    ~Pope St John Paul II

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      #17
      Re: State mandated test results

      Originally posted by Anita View Post
      Sarah, I wish you weren't half a world away. You and I would have coffee. You're always so great to hear from. Thanks for this. It was a pleasure to read.

      And congratulations on Baby #4! Hope you're feeling well!
      Thanks Anita I have learnt so much from you over the time I've been on this forum. I can't wait to watch the Sodalitas videos including the session you led (I've decided to hold off till the end of our school year to give myself a bit of a kick to start off 2018). I do so hope to one day attend...but maybe that's a few years away yet And thanks about baby...we found out it's a boy a couple of weeks ago - so excited!! Jonny is over the moon to be "getting" a brother.
      Sarah

      Aussies from Sydney, Australia
      Miriam 9yo Latina Christiana, Greek Myths, Poppers Penguins, Christian Studies 1, R+S 4 (also IEW Phonetic Zoo, IEW Poetry Memorisation, HWT Cursive)
      Jonny 6.5yo (Special Needs) SC Level 1
      Elissa 3.5yo SC Level B (for preschool)
      Thomas 12 months

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        #18
        Re: State mandated test results

        So, this ball is rolling along. Shockingly actually.

        I reached out to our multi-county special services group, same group that would do early intervention services. It took a call to their Assistant Director, but she agreed that they can serve homeschoolers, not just public school kids. Seems I'm blazing a trail in North Western Colo. as being the first homeschooler requesting screening. I met with the psychologist and she said she would administer the Woodcock-Johnson to see his ability level. (Cheryl, is this the full intelligence test you were speaking about? Should I ask for something in addition to it?) She will also asses for emotional, behavioral, and social functioning. I also met with the OT and Speech Language. He is all signed up for various assessments over the next month to cover expressive and receptive and sensory profiles.

        The school will test his achievement level. I hold out little hope for this. She reviewed his previously mentioned test scores and the school special ed teacher / tester couldn't decipher the results. She didn't understand the term 'percentile rank' or 'stanine'. I had to literally explain "100 kids are in line. The kids with the most answers correct are at the front of the line. My son was 30th in line for vocabulary." She keys in on his spelling results and questions the low score. I explain that it was 'circle the word spelled incorrectly in this list of words'. I explain that I don't like to expose him misspelled words. This was a new way of thinking for her. I explain, "How's a kid supposed to quickly choose between tanq, tank, tanck, tanc? How would he know whether it should end with a ck or a k?" Her answer: "Well, because it ends with that hard k sound!" My immediate unfiltered rebuttal, "You mean like duck that ends with that hard k sound?" And this is the lady who does remediation folks. Yikes.

        He's also scheduled for his first pediatric psych screening tomorrow. This is through a different group that can focus on behavior issues, but also give an actual diagnosis of learning disabilities or mental health concerns. The school focuses on academics, but cannot diagnose anything, and this group focuses on behavior and organic issues and can make diagnoses. Total cost: $40. Who-hoo! So he has his first screening and then we will also schedule his first assessment. They agreed to skype in a pediatric psych for the assessment part. I'm told that full assessment will also be $40, but we'll know for sure tomorrow.

        Off to re-re-read the assessments chapters in Cheryl's book.
        Married to DH for 13 years. Living the rural life in the Colorado mountains

        DS10- Simply Classical 4 / Grade 3 Classic Core,
        DD8- Grade 2 Classic Core,
        DD 6- Classic Core Kindergarten

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          #19
          Re: State mandated test results

          Wow, Michelle!

          To answer your question about the Woodcock-Johnson, it depends. If they intend to give only the academic WJ Achievement test, then no. You do want the Achievement test, but you also want an intelligence measure.

          It seems that the Woodcock-Johnson IV has three batteries:
          Cognitive (intelligence)
          Achievement (academic skills)
          Oral Language (language skills)


          Probably most common of the WJ tests is the Achievement, so they might intend to give only this. If so, you would also need to ask them (or find someone) to administer an intelligence test in addition to an achievement test. Two good, standard options for intelligence testing: the WJ Cognitive (intelligence) or the WISC (Wechsler Intelligence Scale for Children).

          You want this combination:
          - Intelligence Testing (WJ IV Cognitive or WISC) -- this tells you HOW he learns
          - Academic Testing (WJ Achievement) -- this tells you WHAT he has learned



          When you call, you can ask, "Will you be testing with the Woodcock-Johnson Achievement or the Woodcock-Johnson Cognitive?" If they say, "Achievement," then ask, "What will you be using to assess his cognitive abilities? The Woodcock-Johnson Cognitive Test, or the WISC-V (five)?"

          If they say "neither," then see if they will at least give a "short form" of an intelligence test.

          You have been persuasive so far! This might work.

          Very happy for you. Blaze that trail!

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            #20
            Re: State mandated test results

            Update: were moving right along on this whole assessment thing, albeit with one major setback.

            He has completed nearly all of his academic assessments. The psych administered the Weschler intelligence scale 5th edition and Behavior Assessment System for Children (BASC). He's completed his OT assesment and will complete his SLP assessment next week.

            He met with our local mental health counselor as a prescreening to qualify for the skype pediatric behavior / mental health assessment. She had her work cut out for her, getting him to engage and discuss. She agreed further assessment was warranted and qualified him to Skype with the pediatric psych. But, she highly recommended we make the 2.5 hour drive to meet the new doc in person.

            Unfortunately, this lovely local mental health provider passed away suddenly and unexpectedly a few days after his meeting her. We are now left with no mental health services within the county or within 90 miles. I'm not sure what will happen with the idea of skyping.

            My son's originally scheduled visit with the doc 2.5 hours away is tomorrow. Hopefully we will have some answers on where we go from here.

            As a funny aside, the school special ed teacher is doing his achievement test. Refer to this lady and her remediation for spelling 'tank' in earlier post. So, she hands him a paragraph to read and then asks some comprehension questions afterward. This reading was clearly about a Baobab Tree, given the questions she was asking. She asks what kind of soil the tree likes to live in. My son, clearly not having actually read the paragraph, says "I don't know". She says, "well, what did the story say?" He answers, " I don't know. But I know that tree lives in Africa. So...it likes to live in African soil. Yeah, African soil is my answer" the teacher is speechless. My son realizes she still doesn't like his answer so he says, "African soil is desert soil. The tree likes dry sandy soil". This is the correct answer on her little sheet so she moves on to the next question. He continues to give random, but accurate answers. He clearly knows more about this tree than is included in the story and more than this lady knows. She's exasperated and asks how he knows anything about this random tree in Africa. His answer? "I'm homeschooled, my mama taught me that stuff." Ha!
            Last edited by Colomama; 10-12-2017, 01:01 AM.
            Married to DH for 13 years. Living the rural life in the Colorado mountains

            DS10- Simply Classical 4 / Grade 3 Classic Core,
            DD8- Grade 2 Classic Core,
            DD 6- Classic Core Kindergarten

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              #21
              Re: State mandated test results

              Originally posted by Colomama View Post
              As a funny aside, the school special ed teacher is doing his achievement test. Refer to this lady and her remediation for spelling 'tank' in earlier post. So, she hands him a paragraph to read and then asks some comprehension questions afterward. This reading was clearly about a Baobab Tree, given the questions she was asking. She asks what kind of soil the tree likes to live in. My son, clearly not having actually read the paragraph, says "I don't know". She says, "well, what did the story say?" He answers, " I don't know. But I know that tree lives in Africa. So...it likes to live in African soil. Yeah, African soil is my answer" the teacher is speechless. My son realizes she still doesn't like his answer so he says, "African soil is desert soil. The tree likes dry sandy soil". This is the correct answer on her little sheet so she moves on to the next question. He continues to give random, but accurate answers. He clearly knows more about this tree than is included in the story and more than this lady knows. She's exasperated and asks how he knows anything about this random tree in Africa. His answer? "I'm homeschooled, my mama taught me that stuff." Ha!
              I love this so much!
              Boy Wonder: 10, MP2/SC4 (Special Needs)
              Joy Bubble: 8, MP2 (Special Needs)
              Snuggly Cowboy: 6, MPK
              Sweet Lightness: 2, Reverse-Engineering Specialist

              “Have no fear of moving into the unknown. Simply step out fearlessly knowing that I am with you, therefore no harm can befall you; all is very, very well. Do this in complete faith and confidence.”
              ~Pope St John Paul II

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                #22
                Re: State mandated test results

                Colomama, YES! ^^^^^
                High fives there. What superb reasoning skills!
                Festina lentē,
                Jessica P

                2018-2019 · 7th MP Year, 9th Homeschooling
                Interweaving home, cottage school, & MPOA
                DS · MPOA Henle 2, 9A -- DD · 7A -- DD · 4A -- DS · 1st

                Highlands Latin Nashville Cottage School
                www.nashvillelatinschool.com

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                  #23
                  Re: State mandated test results

                  As a funny aside, the school special ed teacher is doing his achievement test. Refer to this lady and her remediation for spelling 'tank' in earlier post. So, she hands him a paragraph to read and then asks some comprehension questions afterward. This reading was clearly about a Baobab Tree, given the questions she was asking. She asks what kind of soil the tree likes to live in. My son, clearly not having actually read the paragraph, says "I don't know". She says, "well, what did the story say?" He answers, " I don't know. But I know that tree lives in Africa. So...it likes to live in African soil. Yeah, African soil is my answer" the teacher is speechless. My son realizes she still doesn't like his answer so he says, "African soil is desert soil. The tree likes dry sandy soil". This is the correct answer on her little sheet so she moves on to the next question. He continues to give random, but accurate answers. He clearly knows more about this tree than is included in the story and more than this lady knows. She's exasperated and asks how he knows anything about this random tree in Africa. His answer? "I'm homeschooled, my mama taught me that stuff." Ha!
                  Oh.My.Gosh. Score 1000 for "teaching kids how to think"!
                  Jennifer


                  2018-2019
                  DS-14 & DS-15 (MP9 Literature, Novare Intro to Physics, Light to the Nations I (CTP), MPOA for: Latin, Pre-Algebra, Ref/Con
                  DS-12 (6M)
                  DS-10 (SC3)
                  DD-8 (MP2)
                  DD-6 (SC2)
                  DD-3 (NT using SCB for gradual intro to JrK)

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                    #24
                    Re: State mandated test results

                    Update to child psych visit:

                    Just had our follow up after our visit with the child psych last week.

                    She said he showed clear signs of ADHD and clear signs of anxiety. She recommended talk therapy to address both issues, but also offered medication if we wanted to go that route along with therapy.

                    She also said he showed multiple signs of ASD and recommended a full Autism evaluation. As we were talking last week, I could clearly hear myself listing ASD symptoms, so this isn't a huge shocker. I've had the weekend to digest it, but it still seems unexpected.

                    The ADHD is a surprise, kind of. Yes, he's easily distracted and fidgety, but he's not bouncing off the walls (he's more likely to roll around on the floor in a tantrum). I guess I had always seen this as willful disobedience, not mental health or learning disability related. The doc offered meds, but I would like to try other options first.

                    So, for you other mama's already on this path. What would you recommend to help him with ADHD? The doc recommended 15 minute work times and 5 minute breaks, but it's soooo hard to get him back from breaks.

                    What about anxiety? I'm totally baffled by this. Yes, he gets anxious, but I have no idea how to help him with this. I would think I already just naturally address it by giving lots of warning for upcoming events and discussing things.

                    And ASD. Wow. Totally new with that one. I'm not even sure I know fully what it entails. It seems such a huge umbrella. His issues seem to be delayed social skills, cognitive delay, fixation on an idea /topic, and sensory issues.

                    Ideas? Tips/tricks?
                    Last edited by Colomama; 10-18-2017, 12:36 PM.
                    Married to DH for 13 years. Living the rural life in the Colorado mountains

                    DS10- Simply Classical 4 / Grade 3 Classic Core,
                    DD8- Grade 2 Classic Core,
                    DD 6- Classic Core Kindergarten

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                      #25
                      Re: State mandated test results

                      That is a lot to absorb! We are in similar shoes, but I only have 1 thing to chime in on. A 5 min "break" does not necessarily mean you send child away for 5 min. It can still be directed. Add in sensory and movement activities and see what you can get done while "moving". But don't necessarily "stop".
                      Christine

                      (2018-2019)
                      DD1 8/23/09 - SC4
                      DS2 9/1/11 - SC2
                      DD3 2/9/13 - MPK

                      Previous Years
                      DD 1 (MPK, SC2 (with AAR), SC3)
                      DS2 (SCB, SCC, MPK)
                      DD3 (SCA, SCB, Jr. K workbooks, soaking up from the others!)

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                        #26
                        Re: State mandated test results

                        Wow, Michelle. Speaking from experience, I wouldn't even worry about strategies for the moment. This is a lot to take in.

                        As you said, you expected "something," but not quite all of this. Even though it might make sense in many ways, it is a lot to swallow.

                        We can help, of course, with tricks & tips, but first take the weekend to absorb.

                        Read and reread that written report when you get it. Know that some recommendations will border on boiler-plate (15 min work, 5 min break) and might not apply with full-day homeschooling. YOU already know him well, diagnoses or not, so keep what is already working. For now, it might be good to plan something non-academic, no-pressure this weekend to remember he is still the little boy you know and love.

                        Then re-group, and we can fill you with those ASD/ADHD/anxiety teaching/parenting tips.

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                          #27
                          Re: State mandated test results

                          She also asked if it was reasonable to teach him by him self to reduce distractions from siblings. Um no, there's not enough time in the day. You wouldn't ask a classroom teacher to do that.

                          I like the idea of taking a scheduled break, with scheduled activity. Ive always thought of busy boxes for toddlers and preschoolers. But how to do it with a nearly 10 year old?

                          That's it! We'll all be millionaires! Busy boxes for older kids with special needs. Same ideas as the preschool variety, but with more mature content. Ha!

                          Agreed with taking things slowly and digesting. It's hard not to rush into problem solving mode. But that tends to lean towards triage solutions, not long term care and we need to think longer-term.
                          Married to DH for 13 years. Living the rural life in the Colorado mountains

                          DS10- Simply Classical 4 / Grade 3 Classic Core,
                          DD8- Grade 2 Classic Core,
                          DD 6- Classic Core Kindergarten

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                            #28
                            Re: State mandated test results

                            Originally posted by Colomama View Post

                            I like the idea of taking a scheduled break, with scheduled activity. Ive always thought of busy boxes for toddlers and preschoolers. But how to do it with a nearly 10 year old?

                            That's it! We'll all be millionaires! Busy boxes for older kids with special needs. Same ideas as the preschool variety, but with more mature content. Ha!
                            .
                            Yes! I'm in very early stages of working on developing this idea, actually! (and by early stages, I mean, it is still in my head! LOL).

                            In my opinion, the boxes need to be "too easy", but still age appropriate. Check out "quiet" boxes online for some ideas as well.
                            Christine

                            (2018-2019)
                            DD1 8/23/09 - SC4
                            DS2 9/1/11 - SC2
                            DD3 2/9/13 - MPK

                            Previous Years
                            DD 1 (MPK, SC2 (with AAR), SC3)
                            DS2 (SCB, SCC, MPK)
                            DD3 (SCA, SCB, Jr. K workbooks, soaking up from the others!)

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                              #29
                              Re: State mandated test results

                              Both of mine had (have) ASD, ADHD, anxiety.

                              Beginning about age ten, breaks were best accomplished in the form of quick chores. One child emptied the dishwasher and ran dishtowels to the laundry, while the other gathered the household trash to place in the outside can. Everybody had water, quick restroom break if needed, then back to work.

                              This kept things flowing in the household, provided movement, but did not let things slip away altogether. Other times we all ran outside for a quick game of "soccer" in the backyard. The key to a quick break for them is that I do not think of it as a break for me too. When longer breaks can be taken, everyone (myself included) retreats to his/her own room or quiet area.

                              As howiecram said, sometimes the "break" is simply doing something else. For us, simple things made a big difference and became incorporated into our "movement diet" each day: sharpening pencils for the next activity, organizing materials, moving from one setting to the next.

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                                #30
                                Re: State mandated test results

                                Originally posted by howiecram View Post
                                Yes! I'm in very early stages of working on developing this idea, actually! (and by early stages, I mean, it is still in my head! LOL).

                                In my opinion, the boxes need to be "too easy", but still age appropriate. Check out "quiet" boxes online for some ideas as well.

                                I sense a collaborative Colomama/howiecram Sodalitas session coming on ....

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