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    placement for 7 yrold not reading?

    I have always said I hoped my 4th kiddo would be boring...it is not the case however

    My oldest three are all early readers . I never had to teach a kid to read they were just all suddenly fluent by 5. They all have had severe fine motor/visual motor delays however. So the three with glasses and convergence issues could read go figure!

    My youngest has no motor issues and has visual spatial abilities that have astounded us from an early age. Largely because of the intense issues of the older 3 we have not done a lot of formal work with him.
    We kept thinking we would start grade one when he began reading since that happened naturally with the others. But despite lots of reading to him he has never really developed strong print awareness much to our bemusement. Because of a big move in the fall we decided to wait and start 1st grade on his 7th b-day after the new year which is what our state requires and work solely on reading skills with him until then.

    Well we are approaching his b-day and even with the daily work he still only has about half his letter sounds and those with much prompting...we get a lot of "hmmm I have seen that one, I know I have seen it..." but he can not recall sounds. If I tell him the sounds he can sound out words but it is gone the next time he sees the letters/words

    He has lovely print and can copy full sentences though we have never done any print work it is almost like he copies words like drawing a picture. He draws and builds and can hear a whole chapter and narrate it fully back. He quite likes listening to big brother and sisters school books and often answers questions before they do. He reads single digit numbers just fine...will read double digits like a list. He adds single digits in is head

    His vision has been fine at his yearly checks the next one up is coming up so we will look for changes. He has a speech articulation issue like some of his sibling though we are working on correcting it.

    We sort of figured he was on his own time table as I know not all kids learn to read at the same time but we do not want to keep delaying lessons...with the other kids' health issues we did all the work orally while having them read until their motor skills caught up but we are unsure how to proceed or adapt for a non reader or even where to start with our little monkey wrench! I suppose I should have been paying closer attention...he is just so very very different and since we have no 'normal' baseline I think we dropped the ball.

    I am familiar with the older levels but not the younger ones so not sure how to place him.
    K? SC1? 1? A mix?

    Any thoughts would be helpful!
    Winter 2019 :
    DD - Graduated!
    DS - core 9 with remediation/support
    DD - core 6 with remediation/support
    DS - moving from SC to grade 4

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    Re: placement for 7 yrold not reading?

    Due to his age and some familiarity with letters, I would start with kindergarten and FSR. See how he handles the focused phonetic lessons. Consistency, review and practice are going to be key. If he demonstrates mastery at each level, great! If you run into difficulties call the office and we can help more specifically!

    Blessings,
    Michelle T

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      Re: placement for 7 yrold not reading?

      Originally posted by MaggieAnnie View Post
      I have always said I hoped my 4th kiddo would be boring...it is not the case however

      My oldest three are all early readers . I never had to teach a kid to read they were just all suddenly fluent by 5. They all have had severe fine motor/visual motor delays however. So the three with glasses and convergence issues could read go figure!

      My youngest has no motor issues and has visual spatial abilities that have astounded us from an early age. Largely because of the intense issues of the older 3 we have not done a lot of formal work with him.
      We kept thinking we would start grade one when he began reading since that happened naturally with the others. But despite lots of reading to him he has never really developed strong print awareness much to our bemusement. Because of a big move in the fall we decided to wait and start 1st grade on his 7th b-day after the new year which is what our state requires and work solely on reading skills with him until then.

      Well we are approaching his b-day and even with the daily work he still only has about half his letter sounds and those with much prompting...we get a lot of "hmmm I have seen that one, I know I have seen it..." but he can not recall sounds. If I tell him the sounds he can sound out words but it is gone the next time he sees the letters/words

      He has lovely print and can copy full sentences though we have never done any print work it is almost like he copies words like drawing a picture. He draws and builds and can hear a whole chapter and narrate it fully back. He quite likes listening to big brother and sisters school books and often answers questions before they do. He reads single digit numbers just fine...will read double digits like a list. He adds single digits in is head

      His vision has been fine at his yearly checks the next one up is coming up so we will look for changes. He has a speech articulation issue like some of his sibling though we are working on correcting it.

      We sort of figured he was on his own time table as I know not all kids learn to read at the same time but we do not want to keep delaying lessons...with the other kids' health issues we did all the work orally while having them read until their motor skills caught up but we are unsure how to proceed or adapt for a non reader or even where to start with our little monkey wrench! I suppose I should have been paying closer attention...he is just so very very different and since we have no 'normal' baseline I think we dropped the ball.

      I am familiar with the older levels but not the younger ones so not sure how to place him.
      K? SC1? 1? A mix?

      Any thoughts would be helpful!
      Have you completed the online assessments for SC Levels B, C, and 1 yet?

      If not, you might want to start there before you begin teaching. Then report back with the results, and we can take a closer look, if you would like!

      Thanks-
      Cheryl

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        Re: placement for 7 yrold not reading?

        oh assessments!
        I had not seen them...it is so strange being deep in high school planning and readjusting back to the beginning.
        I will go check those out.
        Winter 2019 :
        DD - Graduated!
        DS - core 9 with remediation/support
        DD - core 6 with remediation/support
        DS - moving from SC to grade 4

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          #5
          Re: placement for 7 yrold not reading?

          ok so I am back!
          He definitely can do everything on level C, and on level 1 he is proficient at everything except consistently knowing his letters...he can hear the difference in sounds and understands that the letters represent sounds. He just does not seem to get them in his memory. At least not quickly.
          How does the pacing on the reading work compare in SC1 and K ?
          Perhaps we need to take more time.

          Big sis has a new neuro psych exam coming up. I will have to remember to bring up ds and see if there is something I am missing.
          Winter 2019 :
          DD - Graduated!
          DS - core 9 with remediation/support
          DD - core 6 with remediation/support
          DS - moving from SC to grade 4

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            Re: placement for 7 yrold not reading?

            Originally posted by MaggieAnnie View Post
            ok so I am back!
            He definitely can do everything on level C, and on level 1 he is proficient at everything except consistently knowing his letters...he can hear the difference in sounds and understands that the letters represent sounds. He just does not seem to get them in his memory. At least not quickly.
            How does the pacing on the reading work compare in SC1 and K ?
            Perhaps we need to take more time.
            We are on Week 8 of SC1 and I can speak to the slow, steady, gentle pace. Your son will get a LOT of reinforcement on each letter of the alphabet: their shapes; uppercase vs lowercase; familiarity with recognition of shapes and sounds; and how to form them. Each letter is introduced via the order of the alphabet and then in the order of First Start Reading A. But that is not all. Information about each letter is further bolstered through repeated tactile reinforcement -- each letter is traced in sandpaper letters, written with sidewalk chalk, written and traced on a whiteboard or on the child's back; formed with play-doh (and "squished" together when you get to blends and whole-words) and further reinforced with letter tiles or letter magnets. You can choose as many or as few tactile/visual aids as your child needs.

            There are also get-up-and-move games to help him recognize blends. We played a fun game a few days ago with post-it notes on the floor. I wrote an, am and at on post-it notes and taped them to the kitchen floor in different areas. Then I called out words (cat, can, ram, for example) and my children had to run to the note that the word went with (cat goes with at, can goes with an, ram goes with am) and jump on it. Who could get there first was great fun!

            Further, each letter is put on a flashcard as they are introduced and reviewed each day. Whole words are as well -- AND the vowel in each words are underlined according to their sounds (short a is underlined on the flash card in blue; short i is underlined in red) so that if your child cannot remember the vowel sound of a word like can or cat, they have a visual cue to aid them.

            So in short, SC1 is VERY thorough in getting your child to learn their letters and the fundamentals of reading! And it does so in a paced way that is gentle enough for students with difficulties, but quick enough for students (like mine) who are great at letter and word recognition, but not reading comprehension.

            If you want to use K for everything but the K phonics component is too advanced, you can order the SC1 phonics lesson plans separately and use them instead of the K plans. So you have options

            (Go all the way down. SC1 phonics lesson plans are second-from-last http://www.memoriapress.com/curricul...ubject_tid=359)

            HTH,

            Anita
            Last edited by Anita; 01-22-2016, 08:46 AM.
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              #7
              Re: placement for 7 yrold not reading?

              Great explanation, Anita.

              Both MP K lesson plans and SC 1 lesson plans will give you multi-sensory approaches. But in SC 1, we dig even more deeply into those sound-symbol relationships with daily tactile tools, movement activities, and other techniques to move everything into long-term memory.

              In SC 1, we even substituted one of the MP K phonics workbooks with more multi-sensory exercises and explicit phonics review. A sampling of background research:


              multi-sensory/O-G with dyslexia in inner city


              efficacy of systematic phonics instruction for reading



              multi-sensory principles explained



              Because you have your own "control group" with your other children, I would lean toward the SC 1 lessons for your son. You may not have diagnoses, but you know this child learns differently.

              As Anita mentioned, you could substitute the SC 1 Phonics/Reading plans inside of MP K, or you could teach the entire year with SC 1.

              Regardless of the decision, it does seem like a good idea to dovetail your son's concerns with your daughter's next neuro-psych evaluation. (We did this one year when my daughter had an extensive evaluation. The examiner helped me tremendously with my son "on the side," even though the appointment was for my daughter.) You can incorporate any insights from the neuropsych conversation into your instruction.


              All of this will be a big mental shift, as you mentioned, but we all shift our parental attentions as needs arise. This year will be pivotal for your son. Good for you to recognize it! Time to move him to the "front burner!"

              Thanks-
              Cheryl

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                #8
                Re: placement for 7 yrold not reading?

                Thanks for the links Cheryl.

                It is funny a decade working in special ed and 15 years of parenting and teaching quirky 2e kids and I am still just scratching my head over ds!
                It is good to be challenged in life right?!

                Dh and I talked about it and I am going to call the doc Monday about getting ds tested along with dd...we learned with the big kids how helpful it can be sorting out the whole gifted/special needs/mental health maze and one thing we regret is not understanding their challenges until so far into their school years. We have good docs that listen now though!

                Because ds little is a naturally quiet calm kid in a family of "squeaky wheels" I don't want him to not get what he needs as far as learning support just because he is not loud about said needs.

                You and Anita have good suggestions now just to wait on payday on the first to order our new books...that is the hard part ha!

                On another note goodness how can I have 4 kids with all these needs sigh...similar profiles but still so different and challenging. Some days are very much "Thy will be done" sorts of days.
                Winter 2019 :
                DD - Graduated!
                DS - core 9 with remediation/support
                DD - core 6 with remediation/support
                DS - moving from SC to grade 4

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