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    #16
    Re: SC 5-6 Book List

    Originally posted by howiecram View Post
    I think that in your situation, I would consider SC3 Bible + Bible writing with SC3 Enrichment (no writing book) + Traditional Spelling 1 (SC4). The SC3 Enrichment "read alouds" could be used as the literature this year. You and Clara would team read the books (I bought two sets so we each had one). They are quite challenging! There are a few "picture" books sprinkled throughout, but these provided much relief from the harder "Childhood of x famous person". In the 1st semester those longer books are scheduled over 2 weeks. In the 2nd, in only 1 week. We could never finish them in less than 3. (We set a timer and just read together for 20 min. You might be able to do 30?)

    Now, where is she at in cursive? Does she need NAC1, or NAC2? (Not addressing math in this post since I know you are debating that one)

    The recitations from SC3 would likely be appropriate. She might be able to move to SC5/6 but you should wait until you see how this year goes before determining that path. I like the idea of the 5/6 in a year, but I suspect we might be more like 18 months (with my daughter). Again, I won't know until we get into it, but I don't want to set us up for failure thinking we can do it in 1 year, when really she might need the full 2!

    We tried MP2 for about 3 weeks. We quickly came back to SC3 and "just" finished it, as written. (We did SC3 1st semester then I thought, oh, we have got this and moved over to MP2.......) Additionally we tried to do the Bible and History writing. I was focusing on checking boxes and not the quality of work. I wish we would have only done 1 and done it well! (she did ok, but it could have been better)

    Good luck!
    18 months may be more accurate for us, too. Did you like Traditional Spelling better than Spelling Workout? It would probably make sense to get Traditional Spelling and just continue with it. I would guess that I will need the SC 4 manual to do Traditional Spelling because I am guessing that it has ideas on how to make it better for special needs kids.

    Yes, we will definitely do the Bible Edition writing. It does not look like there is another writing book in SC 4, so that should work well. I suppose I could skip the More StoryTime Treasures and just do Prairie School plus the 3 literature books for SC4. Do you think that is a bad choice? You have already done More StoryTime, so I think that you would have good advice.

    I am not sure that I want to do all of the Read-Alouds, though, because it sounds like she could do the Read-Alouds for SC 3 as the extended literature package for SC 5-6. Maybe I could do the SC 3 Enrichment along with the Mammals curriculum? We already have the Mammals things. If I got the SC 4 curriculum manual I think that it would tell me how to teach it differently from the regular manual that we currently own. Or I could keep mammals for whenever SC does insects. I refused to do insects with Stella either. Yuck!

    Clara has already read The Trojan Horse from SC 4 by herself. I could probably hand her the Myths books to do as independent reading. She loves myths, and we have already read so many myth books! She actually has already heard D'Aulaire's Greek Myths from when Stella did it, so that part of SC 5/6 should almost be review for her.

    Cursive is going at our own pace. I am not really worried about it. Her cursive is actually better than her printing. I still make Stella do cursive a couple of times a week (I like the Seton handwriting books with all the Catholic artwork for her since she is well past the end of the MP cursive).

    The big question would be with Latin. I am not sure that I want to throw Clara into Latin when she is just grasping English well enough to write and spell a bit.

    I was looking forward to just checking boxes, but with a different math, and a different spelling (which we really have to have), I do not know that I can just check boxes anyway. I will heed your advice about not doing regular MP 2, though, for sure. You would definitely know best on that one!
    JeJe Greer
    Mom to:
    Stella (6M in 2018-2019)
    Clara (SC3 in 2018-2019)

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      #17
      Re: SC 5-6 Book List

      Hi, JeJe. You could omit More Storytime, but if you want SC 3 Enrichment, you will want those American history readers. Everything is linked together for art, music, science, geography, culture, and history. This would make it far easier on you and give Clara more reading practice.

      If you do not intend to teach from SC 3 Enrichment, you could teach from Mammals as you suggest. The SC 4 Manual would be helpful for scheduling each day within the lesson, but we do not add extensive helps for either Traditional Spelling or Mammals. Our adjustment is largely in the pacing and timing. TS, especially, has everything you need to be multisensory and incremental inside the TS Teacher Manual. We wait until SC 4 for TS 1, while MP teaches it in MP 1. TS is a thorough word study program as well as a spelling program.

      As for Latin, it is very simple in SC 4. She might enjoy it! She will learn English grammar suitable to her age, roots of words, and only 5 Latin vocabulary words each week, but we introduce it gently in the second half of SC 3 just for the reasons you mention.


      My recommendation:
      Teach SC 3 as written this year, minus More Storytime, and teach from SC Writing Book, Bible edition. In SC 3 you will review phonics and spelling first semester and introduce Prima Latina second semester largely as an oral class. Then in SC 4 she will study Prima as written but with additional games to help. You could accelerate the pace of SC 3 to allow you to move to SC 4.


      Trying to combine SC 3 & 4 might give you & Clara more headaches than you save. You might consider accelerating the pace of SC 3 & 4 but teach both in order and as written to accomplish the same goals in 18 months without missing out on skill acquisition and good comprehension in all areas of her education. Just a suggestion --
      Last edited by cherylswope; 08-27-2018, 08:36 AM.

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        #18
        Re: SC 5-6 Book List

        How does SC 5-6 differ from the regular MP 3 core? I see that the science has been swapped out, but we're doing Mammals this year with great success so I think we'd be ready for Astronomy next year. We're using SC 4 this year except for spelling. This looks like it might be a good time to switch over to the regular cores if we're going to based on the booklist.

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          #19
          Re: SC 5-6 Book List

          Originally posted by Woolc View Post
          How does SC 5-6 differ from the regular MP 3 core? I see that the science has been swapped out, but we're doing Mammals this year with great success so I think we'd be ready for Astronomy next year. We're using SC 4 this year except for spelling. This looks like it might be a good time to switch over to the regular cores if we're going to based on the booklist.
          Good question. Briefly, here you go....

          In a nutshell, there are five major differences:

          1) Writing and Spelling - Writing is both greatly minimized AND targeted. Along with EGR I and Core Skills: Language Arts 3, we target writing through the extensive yet simplified spelling lessons in TS II and the literature-correlating Intro to Composition.
          2) Content - Some of the content is intentionally different, such as adding the practice of thankfulness (gratitude) and including a broader science course.
          3) Multisensory - We add non-writing games and activities for practice and review.
          4) Pacing - The pacing is slowed to allow for more practice, more review, and more multisensory teaching strategies along the way.
          5) Oral teaching - Because many of our SC students have low stamina, yet we do not want to keep them from studying great things, we teach several courses orally.




          The specifics for those who want to know....

          Similarities:
          - MP Third Lit, D'Aulaires' Greek Myths, Christian Studies I, English Grammar Recitation I (However, note that ALL of these are taught without the written portions. We use visuals, such as the Timeline Program, maps, and art, but we do not have daily written lessons in these areas.)
          - States & Capitals - We teach these as written, maps and all, because our SC students have been well-prepared for this by SC 3 and 4.

          Differences:
          - Much of the above is taught orally. This allows our SC students to study and review the more challenging content but without the extensive writing requirements of MP Third. We will offer an "Additional Writing Practice Set" with Student Guides for all subjects for those who prefer to have them.
          - Our writing consists only of these: Latin, Arithmetic, Poetry, Core Skills: Language Arts 3, States & Capitals, and Spelling. For most of our SC students, this will be plenty!

          More Differences:
          Latin -- Latina Christiana is taught with full writing expected but all at half-pace. We will cover 1/2 LC in 5 & 6, 1/2 LC in 7 & 8. To help with memory, we add non-writing practice, games, and time for both initial and cumulative review. This is more in keeping with what we did in my home and it worked well for all of us.
          Greek Myths -- We do not expect knowledge of all Greek names, places, and myths. We teach the myths, but our accumulating recitation is of the 12 major gods, goddesses, and their symbols. We believe this will serve our SC students well, although more advanced students may use the flash cards to master much more as time permits.
          Science -- As you noted, science is substituted. We wait until 7 & 8 to cover Astronomy after students have a good exposure to Greek Myths, terms, and names. Astronomy will help to review Greek Myths. Our SC 5 & 6 Science includes experiments and activities to help teach basic knowledge (scientia) about the world that our students may not "pick up" otherwise.
          Writing -- We do not use ATFF; rather, we use MP's new Intro to Composition to coordinate with the literature selections. This assists comprehension of the literature and teaches outlining with content from their lit selections.
          Music -- We will use the playlist & book only in 5 & 6, adding the CD with more complex musical theory in 7 & 8 after they have a good background knowledge, history, and familiarity with the selections.
          Art -- We use Creating Art to allow for students' own artwork to coordinate with their classical and literature studies.
          Arithmetic -- We add non-writing games, a Demo Clock, and other visual aids to the lessons to assist mastery and memory.
          Spelling -- MP has moved to SWO by MP Third, but we are working through Traditional Spelling to teach and review phonics, word patterns, prefixes & suffixes, and masterfully created word studies.
          American History -- We do not include this because we covered American history in SC 3; however, we offer the SC American history read-aloud set as our Extended Literature for anyone who missed it or who wants to review. (We recommend the accompanying SC Enrichment Guide for anyone who has time to add the accompanying discussion questions, vocabulary, and related enrichment topics.)
          Grammar -- We complete the wonderful exercises in EGR I, but we work them orally or on the board.
          Overall pacing -- We are taking two years to move through all of MP Third. We do offer a One-Year Accelerated Pace for those who prefer the adaptations and different teaching approach but who do not need the heavier Christian & Classical Studies content, including Latin as mentioned above.


          Please pardon the lack of good formatting here! For now this is just an answer to help explain that although the book lists are similar, the differences might be sufficient to help with your decision.

          I do agree that if you have an SC student who is a strong speller, competent and eager writer, and capable reader, MP Third can be an excellent time to transition over! If we can help further, let us know. If you decide to transition, please stay in touch and let us know how it goes.
          Last edited by cherylswope; 10-23-2018, 03:22 PM.

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            #20
            Re: SC 5-6 Book List

            Originally posted by cherylswope View Post
            Good question. Briefly, here you go....

            In a nutshell, there are five major differences:

            1) Writing and Spelling - Writing is both greatly minimized AND targeted. Along with EGR I and Core Skills: Language Arts 3, we target writing through the extensive yet simplified spelling lessons in TS II and the literature-correlating Intro to Composition.
            2) Content - Some of the content is intentionally different, such as adding the practice of thankfulness (gratitude) and including a broader science course.
            3) Multisensory - We add non-writing games and activities for practice and review.
            4) Pacing - The pacing is slowed to allow for more practice, more review, and more multisensory teaching strategies along the way.
            5) Oral teaching - Because many of our SC students have low stamina, yet we do not want to keep them from studying great things, we teach several courses orally.




            The specifics for those who want to know....

            Similarities:
            - MP Third Lit, D'Aulaires' Greek Myths, Christian Studies I, English Grammar Recitation I (However, note that ALL of these are taught without the written portions. We use visuals, such as the Timeline Program, maps, and art, but we do not have daily written lessons in these areas.)
            - States & Capitals - We teach these as written, maps and all, because our SC students have been well-prepared for this by SC 3 and 4.

            Differences:
            - Much of the above is taught orally. This allows our SC students to study and review the more challenging content but without the extensive writing requirements of MP Third. We will offer an "Additional Writing Practice Set" with Student Guides for all subjects for those who prefer to have them.
            - Our writing consists only of these: Latin, Arithmetic, Poetry, Core Skills: Language Arts 3, States & Capitals, and Spelling. For most of our SC students, this will be plenty!

            More Differences:
            Latin -- Latina Christiana is taught with full writing expected but all at half-pace. We will cover 1/2 LC in 5 & 6, 1/2 LC in 7 & 8. To help with memory, we add non-writing practice, games, and time for both initial and cumulative review. This is more in keeping with what we did in my home and it worked well for all of us.
            Greek Myths -- We do not expect knowledge of all Greek names, places, and myths. We teach the myths, but our accumulating recitation is of the 12 major gods, goddesses, and their symbols. We believe this will serve our SC students well, although more advanced students may use the flash cards to master much more as time permits.
            Science -- As you noted, science is substituted. We wait until 7 & 8 to cover Astronomy after students have a good exposure to Greek Myths, terms, and names. Astronomy will help to review Greek Myths. Our SC 5 & 6 Science includes experiments and activities to help teach basic knowledge (scientia) about the world that our students may not "pick up" otherwise.
            Writing -- We do not use ATFF; rather, we use MP's new Intro to Composition to coordinate with the literature selections. This assists comprehension of the literature and teaches outlining with content from their lit selections.
            Music -- We will use the playlist & book only in 5 & 6, adding the CD with more complex musical theory in 7 & 8 after they have a good background knowledge, history, and familiarity with the selections.
            Art -- We use Creating Art to allow for students' own artwork to coordinate with their classical and literature studies.
            Arithmetic -- We add non-writing games, a Demo Clock, and other visual aids to the lessons to assist mastery and memory.
            Spelling -- MP has moved to SWO by MP Third, but we are working through Traditional Spelling to teach and review phonics, word patterns, prefixes & suffixes, and masterfully created word studies.
            American History -- We do not include this because we covered American history in SC 3; however, we offer the SC American history read-aloud set as our Extended Literature for anyone who missed it or who wants to review. (We recommend the accompanying SC Enrichment Guide for anyone who has time to add the accompanying discussion questions, vocabulary, and related enrichment topics.)
            Grammar -- We complete the wonderful exercises in EGR I, but we work them orally or on the board.
            Overall pacing -- We are taking two years to move through all of MP Third. We do offer a One-Year Accelerated Pace for those who prefer the adaptations and different teaching approach but who do not need the heavier Christian & Classical Studies content, including Latin as mentioned above.


            Please pardon the lack of good formatting here! For now this is just an answer to help explain that although the book lists are similar, the differences might be sufficient to help with your decision.

            I do agree that if you have an SC student who is a strong speller, competent and eager writer, and capable reader, MP Third can be an excellent time to transition over! If we can help further, let us know. If you decide to transition, please stay in touch and let us know how it goes.
            Great! Thank you, Cheryl! We may go ahead and take the leap, keeping in mind that I will need to continue to teach orally and reduce the writing a bit.

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              #21
              Re: SC 5-6 Book List

              What are the odds that SC 5/6 will publish before free shipping ends in November? <wink wink>
              Married to DH for 13 years. Living the rural life in the Colorado mountains

              DS10- Simply Classical 4 / Grade 3 Classic Core,
              DD8- Grade 2 Classic Core,
              DD 6- Classic Core Kindergarten

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                #22
                Re: SC 5-6 Book List

                SC 5-6 is in the editing stage now. That will take a couple of weeks at least, so we are close but may not make it by the end of November. But we can put it up for pre-order if it looks like we aren't going to have it totally ready. So if we haven't released it by Nov. 26, I'm going to have our online content manager make sure you can purchase that last week of November to ensure you get free shipping.

                How's that?

                Tanya

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                  #23
                  Re: SC 5-6 Book List

                  That is so exciting it is this close to releasing!!
                  Christine

                  (2018-2019)
                  DD1 8/23/09 - SC4
                  DS2 9/1/11 - SC2
                  DD3 2/9/13 - MPK

                  Previous Years
                  DD 1 (MPK, SC2 (with AAR), SC3)
                  DS2 (SCB, SCC, MPK)
                  DD3 (SCA, SCB, Jr. K workbooks, soaking up from the others!)

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                    #24
                    Re: SC 5-6 Book List

                    Originally posted by tanya View Post
                    SC 5-6 is in the editing stage now. That will take a couple of weeks at least, so we are close but may not make it by the end of November. But we can put it up for pre-order if it looks like we aren't going to have it totally ready. So if we haven't released it by Nov. 26, I'm going to have our online content manager make sure you can purchase that last week of November to ensure you get free shipping.

                    How's that?

                    Tanya
                    That's amazing customer service from MP, as usual! Yay!
                    Married to DH for 13 years. Living the rural life in the Colorado mountains

                    DS10- Simply Classical 4 / Grade 3 Classic Core,
                    DD8- Grade 2 Classic Core,
                    DD 6- Classic Core Kindergarten

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                      #25
                      Re: SC 5-6 Book List

                      Is SC 5/6 staying with 4 days of core lessons and the fifth being a delve deeply day? I thought I remember reading it was scheduled for 5 full days, but now I can't find where I read that. Just clarifying.
                      Married to DH for 13 years. Living the rural life in the Colorado mountains

                      DS10- Simply Classical 4 / Grade 3 Classic Core,
                      DD8- Grade 2 Classic Core,
                      DD 6- Classic Core Kindergarten

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                        #26
                        Re: SC 5-6 Book List

                        We created the plans for 5 days. We included both review and "delve deeply," along with brief movement/multisensory lessons within the 5 days.

                        However, if your family relies on 4 days, you can teach 4 days especially if you choose the standard Two-Year plans.

                        Often on Tuesdays and Thursdays we review spelling words and patterns, math facts, and Latin vocabulary. You could move these to the lesson days by reviewing first, then teaching.

                        I have the draft of the Two-Year Lesson plans in front of me. You can combine Thursdays & Fridays as I just described, or you could combine Tuesdays & Wednesdays. You would simply begin your lessons with any needed review activities that might be suggested. This will give you a 5th day for any of these options: being free, reviewing, or delving deeply into anything you might have missed or want to explore further.
                        Last edited by cherylswope; 11-09-2018, 02:17 PM.

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                          #27
                          Re: SC 5-6 Book List

                          I think 5 days is better for us.

                          4 days is nice because we rarely get behind. We have that 5th day to check any boxes that haven't been checked yet. Ha!
                          Married to DH for 13 years. Living the rural life in the Colorado mountains

                          DS10- Simply Classical 4 / Grade 3 Classic Core,
                          DD8- Grade 2 Classic Core,
                          DD 6- Classic Core Kindergarten

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                            #28
                            Re: SC 5-6 Book List

                            I was planning on doing Grade 1 Enrichment from the Classic Core curriculum with all three kids next year. Do you think it would be too much to do the Music Appreciation scheduled in this guide too? Should I just stick with Grade 1 enrichment or do both?

                            Second, does each student need their own R&S Science Text? I'm thinking they are cheap enough that if it would make life easier, I will just order each student their own copy.
                            Last edited by Colomama; 11-25-2018, 04:31 PM.
                            Married to DH for 13 years. Living the rural life in the Colorado mountains

                            DS10- Simply Classical 4 / Grade 3 Classic Core,
                            DD8- Grade 2 Classic Core,
                            DD 6- Classic Core Kindergarten

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                              #29
                              Re: SC 5-6 Book List

                              Originally posted by Colomama View Post
                              I was planning on doing Grade 1 Enrichment from the Classic Core curriculum with all three kids next year. Do you think it would be too much to do the Music Appreciation scheduled in this guide too? Should I just stick with Grade 1 enrichment or do both?

                              Second, does each student need their own R&S Science Text? I'm thinking they are cheap enough that if it would make life easier, I will just order each student their own copy.
                              If you need Patterns of Nature, I think I still have two workbooks and the teachers guide. I will verify and can mail them to you. I think there might be one or two filled in lessons in one of the workbooks.
                              Boy Wonder: 10, MP2/SC4 (Special Needs)
                              Joy Bubble: 8, MP2 (Special Needs)
                              Snuggly Cowboy: 6, MPK
                              Sweet Lightness: 2, Reverse-Engineering Specialist

                              “Have no fear of moving into the unknown. Simply step out fearlessly knowing that I am with you, therefore no harm can befall you; all is very, very well. Do this in complete faith and confidence.”
                              ~Pope St John Paul II

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                                #30
                                Re: SC 5-6 Book List

                                5/6 uses R&S grade 3 science...it's a hardcover textbook.
                                Married to DH for 13 years. Living the rural life in the Colorado mountains

                                DS10- Simply Classical 4 / Grade 3 Classic Core,
                                DD8- Grade 2 Classic Core,
                                DD 6- Classic Core Kindergarten

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