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  • 3Blessings
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    Originally posted by momgineer View Post

    Interesting. My son is in Fourth Form in MPOA. A few of his translation quizzes were self graded, but most were graded by the teacher. Honestly, having taught Third Form to three children so far, I can’t imagine all the translations being auto graded. If the student changes the word order the answer would be correct still but the computer would think it was wrong. And if it is all multiple choice or something that is not enough actual translation skill as I would expect it to test. Hmmm, I think I need to research a bit more. Maybe I have different expectations than the author of the Forms intended? My whole philosophy of education is being challenged by all this new, we don’t need a human teacher, technology.
    Admittedly I have been a little surprised at this. With all the talk about third form being translation heavy I would have expected to have more teacher graded activities. However we are only halfway through the year, and so I can see it changing. She just had her first longish translation exercise in the book. I know they spend a lot of class time as well on translation and break out so they can get one on one feedback on the translations. From what I have seen most of her quizzes and tests are vocabulary / conjugation / declension based.

    The online testing format seemed to work well when I took FFL online this past summer. For anything that had options, the instructions were very specific in how to put them in the boxes (Use progressive present, 1 word per box, "he" for 3rd Sing. ect.). I can see it being problematic for the higher levels when things are more complex, but I do think it would work well for the beginning years.

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  • momgineer
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    That makes sense. I guess in my world right now “Latin” means this confusing mess of verbals and subjunctives and ablative absolutes. I can see how self paced would work for Prima or LC or even First Form. Ah, those were the days. Thankfully I get to teach those one more time as my 7year old gets a bit older. No way am I giving that privilege over to a computer- I only have one more baby to chant “amo, amas, amat” with. In my old age (I do turn 50 this year, eek!), I tend to have blocked out memories of what it was like when 4-5 single digit age kids were all in need of my attention. I do have a grandchild on the way (my daughter in law is an MPOA grad who is a PhD candidate in philosophy at SLU!) so maybe I can teach him/her Latin one day. And yes, I realize I am a weirdo for enjoying teaching Latin- at least through Second or Third Form and then you can have at them with all that ablative absolute stuff. I like teaching algebra and precalculus too though if that tells you anything about me. Sorry to have bombarded this thread with my questions. Keep up the great work and all the new offerings you are developing.

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  • pschaeffer
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    Debbie (just found your signature!) and Michelle,
    Third Form at MPOA really ought to have more translation work and more manual grading--I'm working towards that as quickly as I can. However, the system can handle word order amazingly well if we create the quizzes properly. Most likely when we roll out self-paced courses for those levels we will have a mix of auto and manual grading. This does mean though that Third Form and beyond will have to be in phase two, unfortunately. That was assumed in my earlier comment and I can see now how that was confusing. My apologies.

    Peace,
    Paul

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  • momgineer
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    Originally posted by 3Blessings View Post

    I will say that my daughter has taken second form and is halfway through third form this year with MPOA. Thus far all of her quizzes and tests are automatically graded. I am assuming it's instructor specific, but she gets an immediate grade for those classes. She is also not yet doing extensive translations which is I am sure where things get more complicated.
    Interesting. My son is in Fourth Form in MPOA. A few of his translation quizzes were self graded, but most were graded by the teacher. Honestly, having taught Third Form to three children so far, I can’t imagine all the translations being auto graded. If the student changes the word order the answer would be correct still but the computer would think it was wrong. And if it is all multiple choice or something that is not enough actual translation skill as I would expect it to test. Hmmm, I think I need to research a bit more. Maybe I have different expectations than the author of the Forms intended? My whole philosophy of education is being challenged by all this new, we don’t need a human teacher, technology.

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  • 3Blessings
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    Originally posted by momgineer View Post
    So if we wanted to use a self paced Latin class, we would still have to grade the translation part of the tests ourselves? Or are they just not tested as rigorously as the homeschool test booklet? It’s probably a moot question for me anyway- my 8th grader will be in Henle 2 next year which I’m assuming is too advanced for self paced and by the time my next one (1st grade) gets to Forms, you’d have the second phase out anyway. I guess mostly I’m just curious since I’m sure the FB group will be asking and I want to be prepared with answers.
    I will say that my daughter has taken second form and is halfway through third form this year with MPOA. Thus far all of her quizzes and tests are automatically graded. I am assuming it's instructor specific, but she gets an immediate grade for those classes. She is also not yet doing extensive translations which is I am sure where things get more complicated.

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  • momgineer
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    So if we wanted to use a self paced Latin class, we would still have to grade the translation part of the tests ourselves? Or are they just not tested as rigorously as the homeschool test booklet? It’s probably a moot question for me anyway- my 8th grader will be in Henle 2 next year which I’m assuming is too advanced for self paced and by the time my next one (1st grade) gets to Forms, you’d have the second phase out anyway. I guess mostly I’m just curious since I’m sure the FB group will be asking and I want to be prepared with answers.

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  • pschaeffer
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    Originally posted by momgineer View Post
    So how does that work for Latin? I know in the online class my son is in, the teacher has to grade the translations because there are too many variables that could be correct for the computer to recognize. The grammar and vocabulary portions are computer graded, but the translations are not. A similar question with Logic- the quizzes often ask the student to create their own syllogism. How does the computer grade that?
    I guess I feel I am perfectly capable to keeping track of my own lesson plans and grading a quiz that has exact right answers where I can simply look at the answer key and grade it. The problem is with grading the subjective parts of the tests. That is where I would need help.
    That subjective grading will be phase two of these self-paced courses. Initially we will roll out the things that don't need that help and then we will work on getting teachers ready to do the grading.

    Peace,
    Paul

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  • momgineer
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    So how does that work for Latin? I know in the online class my son is in, the teacher has to grade the translations because there are too many variables that could be correct for the computer to recognize. The grammar and vocabulary portions are computer graded, but the translations are not. A similar question with Logic- the quizzes often ask the student to create their own syllogism. How does the computer grade that?
    I guess I feel I am perfectly capable to keeping track of my own lesson plans and grading a quiz that has exact right answers where I can simply look at the answer key and grade it. The problem is with grading the subjective parts of the tests. That is where I would need help.

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  • Julia
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    On the independent study courses, there were online quizzes ... I didn't have to grade anything - they were computer graded.

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  • pschaeffer
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    The courses we intend to roll out this year will all have automatic grading. So the advantages will be that you have the videos, lesson plans, and quizzes all in one place and you don't have to grade!

    Peace,
    Paul

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  • momgineer
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    Originally posted by pschaeffer View Post
    What y'all are suggesting is phase two of the self-paced courses. We are going to get them up in a similar format to what they were when we had "Independent Study" courses, and then start tackling more of these aspects that require human feedback afterwards.

    Peace,
    Paul
    Then can you elaborate on how self paced courses differ from the currently available self paced DVDs/streaming? If it is a just a recording of a teacher and students do assignments and parents grade them and students take a test and parents grade it, wouldn’t the current DVDs/streaming do the exact same thing?

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  • Julia
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    The independent study courses with everything in one place and the self grading quizzes are super helpful as is. I'm looking forward to having that as an option for some things!

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  • pschaeffer
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    What y'all are suggesting is phase two of the self-paced courses. We are going to get them up in a similar format to what they were when we had "Independent Study" courses, and then start tackling more of these aspects that require human feedback afterwards.

    Peace,
    Paul

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  • DiannaKennedy
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    Originally posted by momgineer View Post
    I assume self paced classes will be different than the prerecorded teacher streaming/dvd that you already offer for Latin, logic and many other subject including the new First Start Reading instruction. I am guessing that a self paced course includes more than what is offered on those DVDs. Will the student have a teacher who assigns homework and actually grades the homework and answer questions? One of the biggest draws I have to online classes is someone else assigning the essays in literature and then that same someone else actually grading them! One of the biggest drawbacks I have with live online classes is having to be in that seat at that time every week, especially when the only offered time conflicts with other time commitments like co-op or sports training or piano lessons. These self paced classes sound like a dream!
    big question- would self pace classes qualify for the diploma program?
    I wonder if MPOA could offer an option for a fee based grading? Meaning --- it's $X for the self paced course and $X for grading. Homeschool Connections does something similar with their self paced courses.

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  • DiannaKennedy
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    Originally posted by pschaeffer View Post
    Hi Shawna,
    I am always opening to suggestions! Thanks for the input. That is helpful as we chart a path forward.

    Peace,
    Paul
    Throwing in another vote for R&S Math. I would love recorded versions of that, much like FSR.

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