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Originally posted by Katie View PostGosh, I’m envious of your Math enthusiasm. What is this Student book you speak of? Are you referring to the text? I’m confused.
I didn't like COTR right out of the gate because I am used to the openandgo format of R&S and MP materials. I like having a teacher manual that actually helps me teach  imagine my surprise when I opened the solutions manual and found...only solutions! *weary laugh*
I started looking over the text each evening to familiarize myself with the next day's lesson and I write any important definitions/concepts on the white board. I use these as my talking points during the lesson. I think my enthusiasm is due to the fact that I never thought of myself as a math person until I started teaching my kids. Looking back, I think this is because there was no onramp to algebra in my middle school  kids went from consumer math in 7th grade straight to algebra in 8th grade. (Some kids took algebra in 9th grade, but I have no idea what they did for 8th grade math in that instance. I do know that there was no such thing as "prealgebra" class in middle or high school.) Worse, when I hit algebra (actually, it hit me  like a ton of bricks!), I was assigned to a teacher who believed in peer teaching. She would put one sample problem on the board and then we'd have to work in small groups to finish the lesson/any homework problems. What. A. Disaster. I went from a solid A/B student in math to a kid who was thrilled to pull C's in algebra I and II. Oddly, I sailed through geometry and trigonometry and barely broke a sweat  those were GREAT classes!
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Originally posted by Cindy in Indy View PostHi Dianna,
It can be a little tricky to decide whether to advance a child into prealgebra. I personally prefer not to begin algebra before 13 years old. I know there are some younger students who can be successful, but I see more students who get pushed forward and then end up stuck in algebra2 or later in precalculus, and thus never reach their full potential. I am a big proponent of mastery and fluency at each step in math.
Research shows that it is not math aptitude that makes a student successful in algebra, it is abstract reasoning (which develops at different ages for different kids, but typically comes with puberty) combined with steady effort and practice. Pushing kids into algebra before that abstract reasoning is in place can lead to great frustration and a feeling of "I'm not good at math", when the actual truth is "I'm not developmentally ready for abstract reasoning; please give me another year to mature."
Students at our school advance into prealgebra upon the recommendation of the 6th grade math teacher. The recommendation is based on maturity, mastery of arithmetic, and work habits. Students who take Math7 typically need another year to mature and to master all the arithmetic concepts (including percents, ratios, proportions). We sometimes have a student repeat prealgebra in 8th grade if they are not successful in 7th grade prealgebra, but it is better for students to take Math7 in 7th, followed by prealgebra in 8th, rather than to repeat prealgebra. Have you asked dd's math6 teacher for a recommendation? That teacher may be in a better position to make a good judgment, because they see dd's math ability.
This makes me feel a little better. She'll be 12 in April, so 13 by the time she starts algebra I. (looks like Katie's daughter is younger)
I totally get the maturity level/abstract reasoning thing. I did pose the question to her MPOA teacher, and she responded that if Rachel ended the class with an 85% or better, she'd give her a green light for prealgebra. Unless the train gets totally derailed, I think we're solidly there. Prealgebra SOUNDS scary to me, because I never took it, and, I took Algebra in 9th grade, not 8th. Were we learning prealgebra concepts in 7th and 8th grade? I have no idea!
Do you have a recommendation for concepts to review during the summer, to start off strong in prealgebra in the fall?
And Katie, I totally didn't mean to hijack your thread.
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Originally posted by Katie View PostThanks, Cindy. Can you speak of Alg. after R&S 8? Or is there just not enough of preAlgebra concepts in R&S? I’d like to ride the R&S train as long as possible. I will check our PHC Pre Algebra though, as I do like the Alg book my son is using now.
When I was homeschooling my oldest, I loved the R&S math books as well, and I didn't know what to do for prealgebra, so I used R&S Math8. However, math8 is not written to prepare a student for algebra. It has a lot of bookkeeping and business math useful to the Mennonite student preparing to enter the family business. We skipped all that because we were headed for algebra in 9th. Moving on to algebra was a big jump for my son. I was able to guide him through, but he would have been better prepared with a strong prealgebra foundation.
I think PH prealgebra will be suitable if you don't want to use COTR.
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Originally posted by Cindy in Indy View PostHi Katie,
It is great to hear that your daughter is doing so well with math6. I think you are wise not to push your daughter ahead to algebra1 while she is still young. Math7 is a great course to solidify arithmetic and build fluency. I would not, however, go straight from math7 to algebra without the bridge from concrete to abstract that prealgebra provides.
We like COTR, but if you choose not to use it, you might look at PrenticeHall Classics prealgebra. Then when she moves into PH classics algebra1, she will be accustomed to the format. We don't use PH prealgebra, and would not be able to provide lesson plans, so you would have to schedule the lessons yourself. But the PH books do have chapter assessments at the end of each chapter, which you could use for verifying her progress.
We'll let Tanya chime in on the possibility of math7 lesson plans....
Originally posted by Angela View PostWe are in the same boat! My dd is in 6th grade this year but had already done Math 6 last year. I chose R&S 7 vs. COTR for this year and am so glad of it. I feel like it is a significant step up from Math 6, enough that there is quite a bit of challenge. It also introduces basic prealgebra, but does not go as far as COTR. I do have COTR on hand already and have compared the two. I think R&S 7 is providing us a good leg up so next year will not be too difficult.
I have not found it difficult to schedule. We do a lesson a day, and I often assign only odds for sections that have a large number of time consuming problems.
Originally posted by melaneesa View PostThis is good to know. I've been wondering along similar lines. I can't bear another year of COTR (eldest is doing it now), so I was wondering about a substitute. I'm also not sure my current 6th grader will be ready for prealgebra next year.
Originally posted by OrthodoxHandmaiden View PostDianna  I am not Cindy (not remotely that cool)  but I want to reassure you that prealgebra is not that hard. Really! You're a nurse and you know math, so you'll be great. I'm teaching it right now and I love it. Like, I get excited when I get out of bed in the morning because I get to teach it. Seriously. I put the next day's lesson on the whiteboard the night before so that I have my talking points up for dd to see as I go through the lesson, but there's not a ton of prep work and no concepts that will make your eyes cross. The major concepts and definitions are shaded and easy to find. I go over those, make sure I understand the sample problem and we're off to the races.
COTR is pretty selfexplanatory and I like the way the student book is laid out. It did take some getting used to after R&S but I do like it. I have tweaked the lesson plans a bit, as they sometimes don't translate well (HLS does a 4dayaweek schedule and when it was put into the 5day 7M core schedule, some things came out wonky) but dd absolutely loves it because she's now learning the why behind some of the math concepts she's already learned.
All that being said, you have more littles than I do and you may not have the bandwidth to teach (which is why I'm farming out composition and algebra I next year). If that's the case, fear not  if your daughter needs any help outside of class, you should be able to jump in just fine. <3
Okay. Now it's Cindy's turn! She'll likely say something really dramatic and awesome and smart and I'll cringe and want to delete my post full of gobbeldygook. *cracks up laughing*
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Originally posted by DiannaKennedy View PostCindy,
Can we talk about how to know if a child is ready for prealgebra? I'm mapping out my plans for next year, and really waffling between R&S 7 and PreAlgebra in the MPOA. My daughter is in R&S 6 in the MPOA and doing OK, but the term 'prealgebra' is making me stress. (perhaps unnecessarily)
It can be a little tricky to decide whether to advance a child into prealgebra. I personally prefer not to begin algebra before 13 years old. I know there are some younger students who can be successful, but I see more students who get pushed forward and then end up stuck in algebra2 or later in precalculus, and thus never reach their full potential. I am a big proponent of mastery and fluency at each step in math.
Research shows that it is not math aptitude that makes a student successful in algebra, it is abstract reasoning (which develops at different ages for different kids, but typically comes with puberty) combined with steady effort and practice. Pushing kids into algebra before that abstract reasoning is in place can lead to great frustration and a feeling of "I'm not good at math", when the actual truth is "I'm not developmentally ready for abstract reasoning; please give me another year to mature."
Students at our school advance into prealgebra upon the recommendation of the 6th grade math teacher. The recommendation is based on maturity, mastery of arithmetic, and work habits. Students who take Math7 typically need another year to mature and to master all the arithmetic concepts (including percents, ratios, proportions). We sometimes have a student repeat prealgebra in 8th grade if they are not successful in 7th grade prealgebra, but it is better for students to take Math7 in 7th, followed by prealgebra in 8th, rather than to repeat prealgebra. Have you asked dd's math6 teacher for a recommendation? That teacher may be in a better position to make a good judgment, because they see dd's math ability.Last edited by Cindy in Indy; 02012018, 08:32 PM.
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This is good to know. I've been wondering along similar lines. I can't bear another year of COTR (eldest is doing it now), so I was wondering about a substitute. I'm also not sure my current 6th grader will be ready for prealgebra next year.
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Originally posted by DiannaKennedy View PostCindy,
Can we talk about how to know if a child is ready for prealgebra? I'm mapping out my plans for next year, and really waffling between R&S 7 and PreAlgebra in the MPOA. My daughter is in R&S 6 in the MPOA and doing OK, but the term 'prealgebra' is making me stress. (perhaps unnecessarily)
COTR is pretty selfexplanatory and I like the way the student book is laid out. It did take some getting used to after R&S but I do like it. I have tweaked the lesson plans a bit, as they sometimes don't translate well (HLS does a 4dayaweek schedule and when it was put into the 5day 7M core schedule, some things came out wonky) but dd absolutely loves it because she's now learning the why behind some of the math concepts she's already learned.
All that being said, you have more littles than I do and you may not have the bandwidth to teach (which is why I'm farming out composition and algebra I next year). If that's the case, fear not  if your daughter needs any help outside of class, you should be able to jump in just fine. <3
Okay. Now it's Cindy's turn! She'll likely say something really dramatic and awesome and smart and I'll cringe and want to delete my post full of gobbeldygook. *cracks up laughing*Last edited by Mary; 02012018, 07:48 PM.
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Originally posted by Cindy in Indy View PostHi Katie,
It is great to hear that your daughter is doing so well with math6. I think you are wise not to push your daughter ahead to algebra1 while she is still young. Math7 is a great course to solidify arithmetic and build fluency. I would not, however, go straight from math7 to algebra without the bridge from concrete to abstract that prealgebra provides.
We like COTR, but if you choose not to use it, you might look at PrenticeHall Classics prealgebra. Then when she moves into PH classics algebra1, she will be accustomed to the format. We don't use PH prealgebra, and would not be able to provide lesson plans, so you would have to schedule the lessons yourself. But the PH books do have chapter assessments at the end of each chapter, which you could use for verifying her progress.
We'll let Tanya chime in on the possibility of math7 lesson plans....
Can we talk about how to know if a child is ready for prealgebra? I'm mapping out my plans for next year, and really waffling between R&S 7 and PreAlgebra in the MPOA. My daughter is in R&S 6 in the MPOA and doing OK, but the term 'prealgebra' is making me stress. (perhaps unnecessarily)
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We are in the same boat! My dd is in 6th grade this year but had already done Math 6 last year. I chose R&S 7 vs. COTR for this year and am so glad of it. I feel like it is a significant step up from Math 6, enough that there is quite a bit of challenge. It also introduces basic prealgebra, but does not go as far as COTR. I do have COTR on hand already and have compared the two. I think R&S 7 is providing us a good leg up so next year will not be too difficult.
I have not found it difficult to schedule. We do a lesson a day, and I often assign only odds for sections that have a large number of time consuming problems.
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Originally posted by Katie View PostBy any random chance, would there be any beautifully laid out MP plans for the R&S Math 7 book? I know you all don’t sell this book, but I’m hanging on to a tiny sliver of hope there may be plans??
My daughter is in 5A with math 6, and while she is getting A’s on everything, I’m just not ready to have her do PreAlg in 6th next year. She really likes R&S and I really don’t care to teach COTR again. Which leads me to my next question..after completing 7, would she be safe to go on to Algebra?
It is great to hear that your daughter is doing so well with math6. I think you are wise not to push your daughter ahead to algebra1 while she is still young. Math7 is a great course to solidify arithmetic and build fluency. I would not, however, go straight from math7 to algebra without the bridge from concrete to abstract that prealgebra provides.
We like COTR, but if you choose not to use it, you might look at PrenticeHall Classics prealgebra. Then when she moves into PH classics algebra1, she will be accustomed to the format. We don't use PH prealgebra, and would not be able to provide lesson plans, so you would have to schedule the lessons yourself. But the PH books do have chapter assessments at the end of each chapter, which you could use for verifying her progress.
We'll let Tanya chime in on the possibility of math7 lesson plans....
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Math 7
By any random chance, would there be any beautifully laid out MP plans for the R&S Math 7 book? I know you all don’t sell this book, but I’m hanging on to a tiny sliver of hope there may be plans??
My daughter is in 5A with math 6, and while she is getting A’s on everything, I’m just not ready to have her do PreAlg in 6th next year. She really likes R&S and I really don’t care to teach COTR again. Which leads me to my next question..after completing 7, would she be safe to go on to Algebra?Tags: None
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