Question about R&S 3 Math Worksheets

[sweetest]

My 3rd grader will be doing MP2 with R&S 3 next year (we did R&S 2 this year without MP), so I have the separate lesson plan for R&S 3 since my MP2 guide has plans for R&S 2. I don't see the worksheets listed anywhere, are they intended to be used daily along with the problems in the students book? They do seem to cover different material, so I'm assuming they aren't meant to just be optional. Maybe there is more guidance in the MP3 curriculum guide, but I don't have that. Can someone help me figure this out? Thanks!

[enbateau]

They aren't scheduled. You can use them as needed, but we didn't put them to use until summer. I loaded them all in plastic protection sheets, placed them in a binder, and assigned 3 per day to keep her math facts current. She uses a vis-a-vis wet erase marker. It's been great.

We found the full assignment of R&S 3 problems and classwork (from TM) to be sufficient for my MP3er to memorize the facts. We also used flashcards spread on a long table every day as a warm up. She went through a spread of 60 mixed facts three times, trying to beat her time each turn. We aimed for 1 min.

And if you mean the numbered ones in the booklet, we just added them to each lesson.

[sweetest]

Yes, I'm talking about the numbered ones in the booklet. They start at lesson #26 and go through to lesson #140. I guess I was confused because I find no mention of them in the R&S book or the MP guide. I'll just plan on adding them to our daily work. The Blackline fact sheets are actually scheduled every Friday (Fact Forms), and I sometimes used them as morning work last year. Thanks for your help!

[MamaHill]

Yes, I'm talking about the numbered ones in the booklet. They start at lesson #26 and go through to lesson #140. I guess I was confused because I find no mention of them in the R&S book or the MP guide. I'll just plan on adding them to our daily work. The Blackline fact sheets are actually scheduled every Friday (Fact Forms), and I sometimes used them as morning work last year. Thanks for your help!

In full disclosure, I don't follow the MP guidelines for R&S Math. Like you suggested, I add the worksheets in almost daily when they start at Lesson 26. I make sure I do all of the teaching and review in the Teacher's Manual (so lots of oral work), only assign a portion of the problems in the student book, and almost always assign the worksheets.

This method has worked well through several children thus far.

[sweetest]

In full disclosure, I don't follow the MP guidelines for R&S Math. Like you suggested, I add the worksheets in almost daily when they start at Lesson 26. I make sure I do all of the teaching and review in the Teacher's Manual (so lots of oral work), only assign a portion of the problems in the student book, and almost always assign the worksheets.

This method has worked well through several children thus far.

Last year was my first year using R&S, and I absolutely love how it is laid out and scripted. MP2 didn't have a separate workbook so I was a little confused. I guess MP doesn't really need to give much guidance since R&S does such a good job! I flipped through the worksheets, and it looks like they are review of old material while the student text is new material. Thanks for your help!

[enbateau]

The 3A manual from last year did not have the Blacklines scheduled at all, so if they added them, I would trust that.

I believe I asked the same question about the workbook pages last year before my start, so it probably needs a note in the instructions at the beginning of the Curriculum Manual if it's not already there.

Toward the end of the year, the workbook pages do address topics I'm pretty sure weren't covered in the TM, like adding and subtracting fractions and rounding to the nearest ten, hundred, and thousand. So it is definitely not all review.

[sweetest]

The 3A manual from last year did not have the Blacklines scheduled at all, so if they added them, I would trust that.

I believe I asked the same question about the workbook pages last year before my start, so it probably needs a note in the instructions at the beginning of the Curriculum Manual if it's not already there.

Toward the end of the year, the workbook pages do address topics I'm pretty sure weren't covered in the TM, like adding and subtracting fractions and rounding to the nearest ten, hundred, and thousand. So it is definitely not all review.

Good to know it's not all review!! I did go through the curriculum guide several times thinking I must be missing something, but it really only mentions the student text book. It also gives fairly explicit instructions on how to use the student text, so I figured the worksheets would be laid out on the schedule. I agree this may be something worth clarifying in the MP Guide, it's definitely a little confusing!

[tanya]

Hello.

The little supplemental booklet of worksheets was created by R&S because they felt there were some holes in their 3rd grade curriculum. These are meant to fill those holes. The intent is that you would use the worksheets as part of the lesson they go with. I think that when they revise their 3rd grade book, these lessons will be incorporated into the new book. But in the meantime, these should be treated as part of the lesson they are earmarked for.

Tanya

[sweetest]

Hello.

The little supplemental booklet of worksheets was created by R&S because they felt there were some holes in their 3rd grade curriculum. These are meant to fill those holes. The intent is that you would use the worksheets as part of the lesson they go with. I think that when they revise their 3rd grade book, these lessons will be incorporated into the new book. But in the meantime, these should be treated as part of the lesson they are earmarked for.

Tanya

Thanks for taking the time to explain why it's laid out like this. I really appreciate it!

[howiecram]

Yes, I definitely feel like those "workbook" pages are more essential than say some of the blacklines. I also think I maybe had to explain a few concepts because they are not found anywhere else. I think for the most part my child did it independently. Also, just some random tips.

So, for math 3, my tips to schedule your lessons like

1) have child do a 100 fact page (something that is easier 1-10 , as facts are learned and mastered, I rotate through the various sheets) - I used a dry erase pocket (found at target and a WET erase marker).
2) do some oral drills from the lesson/flashcards, etc. (bee and blossom posters - mix it up here)
3) teach the lesson, do some problems together
4) have child then do the left side of the book, but orally.
5) assign the "right side" of the student book. You can choose to write in the book (we did not, but know MANY do). Some we did orally.
6) assign the corresponding workbook pages from that specific lesson

The 1s, 2s and 5s multiplication tables were easy to memorize. We did not spend much time on those, meaning we didn't do all the lessons. I found the ones that introduced a math concept though and worked through those completely. The 3s, 4s and 6s took a long time and we ended up spending 2 days on 1 lesson. This ended up working out in the end because by the time you get to 7s, 8s and 9s you already know almost all the facts, so we were able to zoom more quickly through them. (spending more time on lessons that introduced a new math concept)

I personally found the 100 fact forms to be the most valuable as it was actually overwhelming to begin (as it it would take 20-30 minutes to complete). It probably took 6 months to finally "conquer" one in 5 mins. The pure joy was worth all the work. Now, when we have hurdles in other areas, I am able to remind her of how hard she thought those 100 problems were. I will always remember her statement "wow I never thought I could do that!"

[sweetest]

Yes, I definitely feel like those "workbook" pages are more essential than say some of the blacklines. I also think I maybe had to explain a few concepts because they are not found anywhere else. I think for the most part my child did it independently. Also, just some random tips.

So, for math 3, my tips to schedule your lessons like

1) have child do a 100 fact page (something that is easier 1-10 , as facts are learned and mastered, I rotate through the various sheets) - I used a dry erase pocket (found at target and a WET erase marker).
2) do some oral drills from the lesson/flashcards, etc. (bee and blossom posters - mix it up here)
3) teach the lesson, do some problems together
4) have child then do the left side of the book, but orally.
5) assign the "right side" of the student book. You can choose to write in the book (we did not, but know MANY do). Some we did orally.
6) assign the corresponding workbook pages from that specific lesson

The 1s, 2s and 5s multiplication tables were easy to memorize. We did not spend much time on those, meaning we didn't do all the lessons. I found the ones that introduced a math concept though and worked through those completely. The 3s, 4s and 6s took a long time and we ended up spending 2 days on 1 lesson. This ended up working out in the end because by the time you get to 7s, 8s and 9s you already know almost all the facts, so we were able to zoom more quickly through them. (spending more time on lessons that introduced a new math concept)

I personally found the 100 fact forms to be the most valuable as it was actually overwhelming to begin (as it it would take 20-30 minutes to complete). It probably took 6 months to finally "conquer" one in 5 mins. The pure joy was worth all the work. Now, when we have hurdles in other areas, I am able to remind her of how hard she thought those 100 problems were. I will always remember her statement "wow I never thought I could do that!"

I always do most of the script from Rod & Staff for the before lesson, then I pick and choose from after lesson stuff... it is a lot! Are the 100 fact sheets in the blacklines? I mostly just used blacklines as morning work this year... just randomly, I see that MP schedules in a fact sheet once a week (not sure if this is the same as the 100 fact sheet). Thanks for the tips!

[howiecram]

I always do most of the script from Rod & Staff for the before lesson, then I pick and choose from after lesson stuff... it is a lot! Are the 100 fact sheets in the blacklines? I mostly just used blacklines as morning work this year... just randomly, I see that MP schedules in a fact sheet once a week (not sure if this is the same as the 100 fact sheet). Thanks for the tips!

Yes, the ones in the 3rd grade blackline pack. - and yes, I believe those are the same ones MP schedules.