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    Is the Third Time Really the Charm?

    Hi Everyone...

    There is a lot I can say about the last few years...My oldest son has graduated, and I still have my younger two boys at home (currently 13 and 14)...I also work part time in a bakery...We are still homeschooling, and we are doing a MP Core next school year...This will be my third time doing MP...

    We spent the last few years doing Charlotte Mason...I had joined a local group that met one day a week for lessons, then we did follow up and other reading at home...I had consultations to come up with a plan for each of my boys (before my oldest graduated), and bought tons of books for them to read and narrate back to me, either orally or in writing...I read CM's Volume One and part of Volume Six with a study group...I have a decent understanding of the CM method, and the mom who runs the group I use to belong to is doing a wonderful job with her homeschool - it is just not working for us...I gave it a few years because I invested a lot of money on books and supplies and I really wanted it to work out...At least I have a decent home library now ;-)

    After reading CM's own words and trying out the method, I discovered that I agree with some of what she says, and disagree with other things...The things that I disagree with I just can't get past...For anyone who is interested, I will discuss it a bit...

    - Narration after just one reading: My boys struggled with this...The idea is that you should be able to give your full attention and be able to recall great detail after hearing or reading something once...You do not re read or revisit material that you have read...You narrate immediately after reading and are expected to retain that information going foreward...

    - Teachers are not to ask questions or "get in the way" of the book: I struggled with this...The thinking is that the Holy Spirit is the true teacher of your child, and your child will get what he/she needs from the book without you asking questions or putting your thoughts out there in the way of discussions...Your child tells you what is important about the reading...Your job is not to "teach" but to "guide" towards learning...

    - Too many subjects/moving parts: We all struggled with this...You can be expected to cover close to and sometimes beyond twenty subjects at one time...Short lessons (15 - 20 mins is the time slot for most lessons, a few may last half hour), with some lessons only lasting 5 - 10 minutes...Most subjects are only done once a week...So we would do a picture study, read a book for 10 mins, read a different book for 10 mins, do math, read another book or have a lesson for another 10 mins, etc....Too much for me to plan and keep track of...Most days it was a bunch of reading without any actual formal lessons because it was just too much to plan out...

    - Too much reading/learning required about the CM method to feel like you can do it justice: I don't have any more time to devote to learning a method in order to feel successful...I would rather spend my time reading the books my boys are reading instead of trying to learn how to implement CM...My boys will be grown before I read all six of those volumes and figure out how to put it into practice to get the results we all want and need...

    I don't regret trying out CM - it was always on my mind and a source of struggle for me the last time I tried to do MP...I guess I needed to go down that road...The bottom line is that I need structure and confidence...My boys need structure and confidence...With me working part time, doing a full MP core is going to be harder than it has ever been, but we have already started doing prerequisite work to prepare for the fall and I have already bought our materials so there is no turning back...I am afraid and nervous, but hopeful at the same time...

    Is the third time really the charm?


    Tahara

    Homeschooling two boys
    DS -19 (9/4/00) Homeschool graduate, 2nd year in college
    DS -15 (9/9/04) (SN) MP Year 8 w/ FF Latin
    DS -13 (7/3/06) MP Year 8 w/ FF Latin

    #2
    TAHARA!!!! Welcome back!!!! (Not yelling - squealing with excitement!)

    I am so happy to hear from you and have you show up back on the Forum! What an interesting path you have had for the last couple of years. I am positive your experience is going to be helpful to others - there’s always a lot of CM talk around. . And you are right - sometimes you just have to go down that road a bit to see if it’s for you.

    But I am excited for you to start again with MP - both for the sake of your boys, but more so to have you hanging around here again!

    Hugs, and prayers, friend!
    AMDG,
    Sarah
    2019-2020 - 9th Year with MP
    DD, 19, Homeschool grad; Art major/philosophy minor
    DS, 16
    DD, 14
    DD, 12
    DD, 10
    DD, 8
    DD, 6
    +DS+
    DS, 2

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      #3
      Originally posted by The Autumn Oak View Post

      - Narration after just one reading: My boys struggled with this...The idea is that you should be able to give your full attention and be able to recall great detail after hearing or reading something once...You do not re read or revisit material that you have read...You narrate immediately after reading and are expected to retain that information going foreward...

      - Teachers are not to ask questions or "get in the way" of the book: I struggled with this...The thinking is that the Holy Spirit is the true teacher of your child, and your child will get what he/she needs from the book without you asking questions or putting your thoughts out there in the way of discussions...Your child tells you what is important about the reading...Your job is not to "teach" but to "guide" towards learning...
      Wow. That would not have worked for my sons either - maybe one of them? The other 2, not so much. It would have been a total fail. I loved the "forced" re-reading for most subjects in MP - at least that is how 3M is set up. I loved the teacher interrupted questions. For that matter, I love the new Flashcard box. It forces the kids to be exposed again and again so that it goes from short to long term memory. It's kind of new. I created it for my older kids based on the guidelines in the CM and decided to do the same for my K kiddo too. We create information on a flash chard for a few subjects throughout the week - even one for Vocabulary. He loves it! Of course, we are only 2 weeks in. I'm starting early because I always get behind.

      Welcome back Mama!
      Melissa

      DS (MP3) - 9
      DS (MP2) - 7/8
      DS (K) - 6
      DD (Adorable distraction) 2 1/2

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        #4
        Welcome back, Tahara! We have missed you! I was thinking about you the other day in fact. We are just coming off our conference, and for some reason, I was reminded of the time Cheryl Lowe was speaking and trying to remember the name of a book she wanted to reference. You reached into your bag, pulled a book out, and said, "Is this it?" And she said, "Yes! That's it!" It was like a miracle that you were carrying that book around at that moment.

        We welcome you back because we are glad you are coming back to MP books, but also because you are such a bright presence on this forum!

        Tanya

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          #5
          Originally posted by tanya View Post
          I was reminded of the time Cheryl Lowe was speaking and trying to remember the name of a book she wanted to reference. You reached into your bag, pulled a book out, and said, "Is this it?" And she said, "Yes! That's it!" It was like a miracle that you were carrying that book around at that moment.
          Haha, I remember that!...It was "Educational Wastelands" by Arthur Bestor...

          Thank you all for being so welcoming of us ????...The boys have been working together and will both be doing the 8th Grade Core...We will need to sub with First Form Latin and the first two or three stages of Classical Composition depending on how well they do with it...If they struggle with it, we will do only Fable and Narrative...If they do okay, we will spend several weeks on each one and try to get to Chreia/Maxim for the last half of the year...They will also do Novare Earth Science...For math, they will continue with "The Great Courses" since they already started it and need a little more help before moving on to Algebra I...

          Just typing that out made me feel so much better...I have a clear plan, instead of a plan to do more planning...I was looking at the lesson plans for Literature when my sons came by and saw me...My youngest said, "Is that our school plans?...Is that the one that tells us what to do everyday?"...I told him yes...He smiled and looked so relieved...Glad to be back...
          Tahara

          Homeschooling two boys
          DS -19 (9/4/00) Homeschool graduate, 2nd year in college
          DS -15 (9/9/04) (SN) MP Year 8 w/ FF Latin
          DS -13 (7/3/06) MP Year 8 w/ FF Latin

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            #6
            That sounds like an awesome plan!

            AMDG,
            Sarah
            2019-2020 - 9th Year with MP
            DD, 19, Homeschool grad; Art major/philosophy minor
            DS, 16
            DD, 14
            DD, 12
            DD, 10
            DD, 8
            DD, 6
            +DS+
            DS, 2

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              #7
              Originally posted by The Autumn Oak View Post
              I have a clear plan, instead of a plan to do more planning...I was looking at the lesson plans for Literature when my sons came by and saw me...My youngest said, "Is that our school plans?...Is that the one that tells us what to do everyday?"...I told him yes...He smiled and looked so relieved...Glad to be back...
              I'm not sure if it's the third time that takes , but I very much related to your initial post about going between CM and MP and coming to a reckoning. We have swayed back and forth between those approaches for the last five years. My oldest, nearly 14, has language processing issues so doing CM style read-alouds and narrations were beyond frustrating for her. My next oldest could be the "poster child" for CM as she listens quite well and loves to talk, but writing anything down is akin to torture to her and she needs the discipline of a more structured curriculum. My oldest daughter is happy that so many of the resources she has for next year are MP and my other daughters are coming to appreciate that there is a wonderful sense of mission when Mom has a plan with a few optimal resources instead of pages of book lists.

              Wishing you a wonderful academic year!

              Laura

              Laura H.

              DD: 14, special-needs (modified 7M Core)
              DD: 11
              DD: 7
              DD: 7

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                #8
                Welcome back, friend! I just sent you a PM about First Form.
                Festina lentē,
                Jessica P

                10th year HSing · 8th year MP
                @ Home, HLN, & MPOA
                10th, 8th, 5th, 2nd

                Highlands Latin Nashville Cottage School

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                  #9
                  In a word, yes, 3rd time is the charm. I've missed you, my friend. I have thought about you and proyed for you and your family over the years. I am so glad to see you back!
                  The Homeschool Grads:
                  J- 6/96
                  S- 11/98

                  Still Homeschooling:
                  G- 4/04
                  D- 5/05
                  F- 7/08 (my only girl)

                  Future Homeschooler:
                  M- 9/16

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                    #10
                    Tamara you have inspired me to submit a writing to this forum again. I have been gone for several years, also using CM. It has been a wonderful experience for my kids, but over the years I have always drifted back to MP. I would check the curriculum for literature suggestions. I figured if MP had chosen to study it, I should give it due consideration. I have lurked around the forum from time to time secretly missing all of the wonderful support that I received from the women on this forum. My kids are now 7th and 9th grade. CM still works pretty well for my 7th grade son, but my daughter is needing something more. She has done a few classes on Homeschool Connections, which she has loved. But I have recently found myself purchasing more and more MP items to add to our curriculum. This school year seems to be a pretty equal mix of MP and living books with a couple of Homeschool Connections classes sprinkled in. I'm not sure yet where we are going. I still love nature study and all of the other little extras that we work in through the CM method. But at the same time, in the high school years we are struggling to find time for all of the "extras." I am starting to envision a world with a good amount of MP, wonderful read alouds at night (this has never stopped for us), good long walks in the woods when we can fit it in, and Homeschool Connections for anything we are missing....maybe that is the new balance. This seems to be a constantly shifting journey. I admire people like Sarah and Jessica who have stayed the course. Anyway, you may see me around the forum again. I couldn't remember my password so I set up a new account and it logged me in as a junior member. I don't know if anyone remembers me, but I met many of you several years ago at the MP conference in Louisville. Sarah, you may remember me as being friends with Amy Pavey.

                    Melisa Burke

                    Melisa

                    Homeschooling mom for 10 years

                    dd - 9th grade using MP and Homeschool Connections
                    ds - 7th grade using MP

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                      #11
                      Originally posted by Melisa Burke View Post
                      Tahara you have inspired me to submit a writing to this forum again. I have been gone for several years, also using CM. It has been a wonderful experience for my kids, but over the years I have always drifted back to MP.
                      Yay!...Good to hear from you again...

                      I am sure there are others out there who have struggled to find what works and who have drifted between different curricula and methods...I too admire people like Sarah and Jessica; they knew what they wanted and needed and stayed the course...Our kids are probably close in age based on the grades you gave for each one, and I understand coming back to MP with older kids...

                      As far as nature study, my husband is much more of an outdoors person than I am, and he takes the boys out at least once a week to be in nature...They still take photos, draw, and paint what they find in nature...They are old enough to go out on their own too, and they do...But using MP is really helping us to organize our homeschool and get much more out of it...

                      I am still glad to be back...
                      Tahara

                      Homeschooling two boys
                      DS -19 (9/4/00) Homeschool graduate, 2nd year in college
                      DS -15 (9/9/04) (SN) MP Year 8 w/ FF Latin
                      DS -13 (7/3/06) MP Year 8 w/ FF Latin

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                        #12
                        So sorry...I meant to type Tahara, not Tamara. Mea Culpa!

                        Thanks for the kind welcome.

                        Melisa
                        Melisa

                        Homeschooling mom for 10 years

                        dd - 9th grade using MP and Homeschool Connections
                        ds - 7th grade using MP

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                          #13
                          Melisa!!! So good to hear from you again. I have missed you and I am so happy you are back! Maybe I can talk you back to Sodalitas one summer and we can drive together :-)

                          I have been to your neck of the woods a few times and have wondered how you were doing. M is in 11th with a mix of MP and some other classes. T is somewhere between 8th and 9th. We have been enjoying doing MP without the curriculum manual as it is more relaxing to do it at our own pace.
                          Dorinda

                          For 2019-2020
                          DD 16 - 11th with MPOA(AP Latin), Lukeion (Greek4 & Adv. NT Greek), Thinkwell (Economics and Chemistry), plus Pre-Calculus, American G’ment, Early Church History set, and British Lit
                          DS 14 - 8th with MPOA(Fourth Form), CLRC(Intro Lit and Comp), plus Algebra, Field Biology, Classical Studies 1
                          DS 11 - 6th with Right Start Level G online class
                          DS 6 - 1st with Prima Latina

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                            #14
                            Dorinda,

                            I would love to private message you so that we can catch up. I am not sure how to do send a PM. Maybe you know how.

                            You might just convince me to make a trip. Let’s talk.

                            Melisa
                            Melisa

                            Homeschooling mom for 10 years

                            dd - 9th grade using MP and Homeschool Connections
                            ds - 7th grade using MP

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                              #15
                              Originally posted by Melisa Burke View Post
                              Dorinda,

                              I would love to private message you so that we can catch up. I am not sure how to do send a PM. Maybe you know how.

                              You might just convince me to make a trip. Let’s talk.

                              Melisa
                              To send a pm, click the person's picture (or lack thereof :-) and then click "Private Message"...
                              Tahara

                              Homeschooling two boys
                              DS -19 (9/4/00) Homeschool graduate, 2nd year in college
                              DS -15 (9/9/04) (SN) MP Year 8 w/ FF Latin
                              DS -13 (7/3/06) MP Year 8 w/ FF Latin

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