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    New User Literature/ Classical Studies/ Science Placement Question

    Good Evening,

    We are transitioning into full MP Cores this fall. My 4th and 5th grader will be starting 2nd Form Latin together, and looking through the MP material I think for the most part they would fit nicely into the accelerated packages. My rising 5th grader has studied Geography I, but not Famous Men of Rome, CSII, or Insects. I am planning to keep them together for Latin and Christian Studies II, but I'm not sure how to handle Literature, Classical Studies and Science. The 5A Literature selections look like they go well with Famous Men of the Middle Ages. If I use FMR for both kids, should I wait to use the Literature guides that are paired with FMMA for the following? OR would it be easier long term to jump in and have them on individual tracks, and only combine them in Latin and Christian Studies?

    Would I be gaining much in holding my 5th grader back so him and his sister are studying the same topics? I thought about having him study Rome through the rest of the summer, to kind of catch up?

    I also have kids entering 2nd and 1st this year.

    Any thoughts are appreciated!!

    Thanks,
    Janice

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    Re: New User Literature/ Classical Studies/ Science Placement Question

    Originally posted by wisdomseeker View Post
    Good Evening,

    We are transitioning into full MP Cores this fall. My 4th and 5th grader will be starting 2nd Form Latin together, and looking through the MP material I think for the most part they would fit nicely into the accelerated packages. My rising 5th grader has studied Geography I, but not Famous Men of Rome, CSII, or Insects. I am planning to keep them together for Latin and Christian Studies II, but I'm not sure how to handle Literature, Classical Studies and Science. The 5A Literature selections look like they go well with Famous Men of the Middle Ages. If I use FMR for both kids, should I wait to use the Literature guides that are paired with FMMA for the following? OR would it be easier long term to jump in and have them on individual tracks, and only combine them in Latin and Christian Studies?

    Would I be gaining much in holding my 5th grader back so him and his sister are studying the same topics? I thought about having him study Rome through the rest of the summer, to kind of catch up?

    I also have kids entering 2nd and 1st this year.

    Any thoughts are appreciated!!

    Thanks,
    Janice
    Hello Janice,

    Here are a few thoughts to help you get started.

    You could certainly combine your 4th and 5th grader in Classical Studies, but many families tell us that separate tracks are often easier. As you noted, the year where both Literature and Classical Studies cover Medieval history provides a fun overlap. Rome will be studied again via Mills's Book of the Ancient Romans, so your 5th grader won't miss Roman history if he skips FMR.

    Our middle-school science courses are topical, so combining here is also possible. Again, some families find combining, at least initially, easier, but others do not. You will eventually want to separate science for them, specifically when the older child is in 9th and neededing the standard high-school sciences but your younger is in 8th.

    If neither student has studied Greek Mythology, I'd recommend reading D'Aulaires' Book of Greek Mythology this summer. (The 5th grader could also read FMR.) Neither of these necessarily need to be formally studied. The goal is exposure to stories and characters that will be referenced again and again in Literature, Philosophy, History, etc.

    Many of our regular forum posters are attending one or both of the conferences in Louisville this week, so it may be a bit before other families chime in with what worked best in their homes.

    Let us know if you have any other questions, and welcome to Memoria Press and the MP community!

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      #3
      Re: New User Literature/ Classical Studies/ Science Placement Question

      Janice,
      Good morning!

      I did not read all the way through your questions yet, but I am so glad you have help from Michael already. But I wanted to say that today is starting the Sodalitas Gathering, where many of our “regulars” around here will be busy for today and tomorrow. I hope you will still get great responses from other moms who are available, but just wanted to let you know that as well. You may get even more help later in the week!

      AMDG,
      Sarah
      2020-2021
      16th Year HSing; 10th Year with MP
      DD, 19, Homeschool grad; college sophomore
      DS, 17
      DD, 15
      DD, 13
      DD, 11
      DD, 9
      DD, 7
      +DS+
      DS, 2

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        #4
        Re: New User Literature/ Classical Studies/ Science Placement Question

        We're not full core users, but we really like the 5A literature year. I used it as part of a co-op group of 5th-7th graders. We didn't use the plans because I wanted to add in some some of Lamb's Tales from Shakespeare that year, so I can't speak to the pacing of the core for that age group. I think my only caution with accelerating your younger one is that he will hit Odyssey/ Iliad in classical studies very early if you're doing full cores. We've always done MP more subject by subject, so it doesn't matter as much. If I still had 4 at home, though, I know I might be more likely to do full cores.

        I like the synergy of kids being able to discuss what they are reading, but make sure you look at the guide samples. I've had to scale back guides a bit when I teach co-op groups because most kid's writing output is behind their reading level a bit. So it really depends on your kids and their strengths, but if you want to keep them together, it might make sense to place down rather than up if you want to keep them together long term.

        Most people end up switching science at some point, so high school science is a common sub when you get there.
        Bean. Long time MP user. I usually post before my first cup of tea is finished. I apologize in advance for my typos and grammatical mishaps.

        2021-2022

        DD (16) Appling to college. Mostly DE with a little MP to finish up homeschooling.

        "School Administrator" to Bonus Kid (9): MP 3A

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          #5
          Re: New User Literature/ Classical Studies/ Science Placement Question

          Janice,

          I appreciate your patience as we all get back to normal life after a busy week - but I also did not want your questions to get buried.

          In your situation, it sounds like you might be in a good place to keep your older two combined for this first year. It might help you all adjust to the new curriculum more easily. You could always pull them apart later, or have them work at separate times if the combining does not suit them well.

          But a question I have is that you have mentioned your children's grades, but not their ages, or any of their previous experience. Could you share a bit of that? Trying to fit children into the "right" core takes into consideration not only their previous grade, but also their skill levels and maturity. A bit more information on them would be really helpful for placement advice. For example, we don't usually see fourth graders being ready for Second Form Latin. I would be concerned about how old your child is currently, and would want you to make sure she thoroughly masters the material as you go along. You might even find you need to slow down a bit as you get into SF so that she has time to age up a bit before hitting Third Form - which is quite hefty and would be a significant challenge for a fifth grader (thinking ahead).

          This is why some additional info on your situation would be really helpful.
          AMDG,
          Sarah
          2020-2021
          16th Year HSing; 10th Year with MP
          DD, 19, Homeschool grad; college sophomore
          DS, 17
          DD, 15
          DD, 13
          DD, 11
          DD, 9
          DD, 7
          +DS+
          DS, 2

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            #6
            Re: New User Literature/ Classical Studies/ Science Placement Question

            My fourth grader is 9 and will be turning 10 mid year, and my 5th grader just turned 11. In the past I have combined them for all subjects except math and writing, with the younger child often challenging her older brother. They are both strong readers and work well together or independently.

            I thought about spreading SF over two years so we can keep progressing forward while giving my 4th grader time to mature, or just following SF plans and slow down when/ if that time comes? I don't want to get through Second Form to find out she is not ready for Third Form, but so far Latin has been a good subject to challenge her a bit.

            Do you have any suggestions?

            Thanks

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              #7
              Re: New User Literature/ Classical Studies/ Science Placement Question

              I talked with a MP Latin placement specialist and have decided to spread Second Form over two years, allowing my 4th grader to mature before starting Third Form.

              Janice

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                #8
                Re: New User Literature/ Classical Studies/ Science Placement Question

                Janice,
                That sounds great! I am glad you called and spoke with someone at MP. That plan sounds great! Even two years is still going to be faster than many of us moms who are trying to learn it! Ha!

                How are your other plans coming? Do you still have any remaining questions?

                AMDG,
                Sarah
                2020-2021
                16th Year HSing; 10th Year with MP
                DD, 19, Homeschool grad; college sophomore
                DS, 17
                DD, 15
                DD, 13
                DD, 11
                DD, 9
                DD, 7
                +DS+
                DS, 2

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                  #9
                  Re: New User Literature/ Classical Studies/ Science Placement Question

                  Do you prefer to combine kids in certain subjects or have you found it is easier to keep them separate tracks?

                  Thanks,
                  Janice

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                    #10
                    Re: New User Literature/ Classical Studies/ Science Placement Question

                    Janice,

                    There are a variety of experiences folks have had with choosing to combine or not. From observation of families over the years, times that seem to work are:

                    - when you have two children in the same age range, such as in Primary years (K-2), Grammar (3-6) or Upper (7+);\

                    AND

                    - when the younger student is advanced for his/her age, while the older student is more average;

                    AND

                    - when their personalities allow them to cooperate well with each other without a lot of competition or drama.


                    If you have these things going for you, then I would say to give it a shot. It can be a great way to cut down on the number of separate study periods you need to have with each child and make your days that much easier.

                    I have tried to combine a couple of kids for a subject here or there, but in general I prefer to have each of them in his/her own core. It makes our days very efficient and orderly. Our children have inherited a strong competitive streak from both my husband and I, and therefore are usually happier this way.

                    My mornings are spent working with my youngest children while all the ones in 3rd+ pull out their planners and get to work on their independent material. Then after lunch I start working through each, going up in age, to check work, do drills, and finish the discussion aspects of the courses that have it. I try to give each child an hour or so a day, but my high schoolers get more like 2-3 check-in's per week. We are in survival mode, since I have so many schooling; folks who have fewer cores going are able to be more hands-on even into the high school years. So it is really up to you - what your situation is, how much time each day you have, and what will work for your children.

                    AMDG,
                    Sarah
                    2020-2021
                    16th Year HSing; 10th Year with MP
                    DD, 19, Homeschool grad; college sophomore
                    DS, 17
                    DD, 15
                    DD, 13
                    DD, 11
                    DD, 9
                    DD, 7
                    +DS+
                    DS, 2

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