Third Form corrections

[TaraT]

Third Form, Teacher Key, Page 157, VI Translation #19. Key says "Corpus in flumen jaciant." But shouldn't it be "Corporem in flumine jaciant." It translates as "Let them throw the body into the river." Body should be direct object in the accusative and river should be in the ablative. Correct?? My boys and I could totally wrong though, so I wanted to ask to see if this is a typo or what are we missing here.

Thank you!

[pickandgrin]

Hello!
The key is correct, although the suspicions as to why it might be wrong are good questions and clarifications:

1) corpus, corporis is a 3D neuter noun, so the neuter rule kicks in. It IS accusative and the form is "corpus" just like the nominative singular. Those new nouns in Unit III and IV can be hard to keep straight, especially the gender.

2) flumen is in the accusative as well b/c the preposition "in" here is taking the accusative, showing motion, "into" the river. The more your crew translates through this TF year they will become more accustomed to the verb giving them a heads up about prepositions that show motion (and thus take the accusative). Prep + ablative "in flumine" would rather connote location as in "I am swimming in the river."

Helpful? Follow up Qs?

[TaraT]

Hello!
The key is correct, although the suspicions as to why it might be wrong are good questions and clarifications:

1) corpus, corporis is a 3D neuter noun, so the neuter rule kicks in. It IS accusative and the form is "corpus" just like the nominative singular. Those new nouns in Unit III and IV can be hard to keep straight, especially the gender.

2) flumen is in the accusative as well b/c the preposition "in" here is taking the accusative, showing motion, "into" the river. The more your crew translates through this TF year they will become more accustomed to the verb giving them a heads up about prepositions that show motion (and thus take the accusative). Prep + ablative "in flumine" would rather connote location as in "I am swimming in the river."

Helpful? Follow up Qs?

AHHHH!!!! I feel so dumb right now because I really did know all of this 🤣🤣🤣 but totally forgot that accusative is same as nominative. The neuter rule! Ugh. "blank, is, i, BLANK, e" 🤦♀️🤦♀️ And I told my boys about the preposition taking the accusative and they were disagreeing with me. Ha. Momma was right on this one. :-) I thought maybe this first time i reached out might be a legit need! I imagine all the other times I thought it was a typo and didnlt reach out to ask, it probably was my overlooking as well!

Thank you so much for taking the time to respond!!!

Tara

[tanya]

Never hesitate to reach out with any questions. This is a judgment free zone. You homeschoolers are doing so much, on so many levels. Getting confused about something is bound to happen. So if you need the help, don't hesitate to ask for it so you can move on! (And there really are mistakes in our books, so there's that.)

Tanya

[TaraT]

Never hesitate to reach out with any questions. This is a judgment free zone. You homeschoolers are doing so much, on so many levels. Getting confused about something is bound to happen. So if you need the help, don't hesitate to ask for it so you can move on! (And there really are mistakes in our books, so there's that.)

Tanya

Thank you so much!!!!! Yall are so gracious and helpful!

[pickandgrin]

Tanya is right--always ask because you never know. And I'm so glad you were right! I hope you didn't rub it in to those boys too much. In my mind I'm envisioning you doing a end-zone dance over that preposition, spiking the ball and all.

I'm taking the slow road on Latin myself and I remember best the things I get so puzzled about that I either pour over them forever and/or I have to ask for help with an explanation. Those stick for some reason. I like to think its because I really earned my own understanding of it.

Keep after it. Anyone asking a question about Third Form Lesson 20 has enough Latin under their belt to throw themselves a little party. Have a cupcake!

[TaraT]

pickandgrin

Oh I was definitely more excited about it than they were for sure! Cuz ya know mom's the crazy one that actually likes this stuff. I am a bonafide nerd. But yes I did feel like doing a little jig! :-)

Yes, it always sticks more when you wrestle with the material yourself!! Things just click then.

I am actually looking forward to taking Third Form again with my youngest next year. I'll have to give him more of my attention and therefore I will remember and learn it better. :-)

[owlburger]

Another 3rd Form Question...

Lesson 11 Quiz.... Part C Home Erat regina sapiens.

My children are translating this "The queen was wise."
My answer key says "She was a wise queen."

Are they both acceptable or can you explain why the latter is correct?

Thanks for your help!

[owlburger]

Whoops the symbol for number and 1 changed to Home... it's from Lesson 11 Quiz Part C Translation 1.

[Jon Christianson]

Another 3rd Form Question...

Lesson 11 Quiz.... Part C Home Erat regina sapiens.

My children are translating this "The queen was wise."
My answer key says "She was a wise queen."

Are they both acceptable or can you explain why the latter is correct?

Thanks for your help!

Both are (relatively) acceptable. However, when you use erat and other forms of the verb sum - the only verb that follows the typical English order of [noun] IS [noun] - you tend to want to keep whatever is on either side of the verb apart. Regina erat sapiens would more clearly mean the queen was wise, whereas nothing before erat suggests that the subject is the implicit he/she/it of the verbal ending - she, in this case, since we're referring to a queen.

- Jon