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    4th Form Latin Relative Purpose Clause Question

    We are in Lesson 11 of Fourth Form Latin. We are trying to understand when to use 'Qui' and when to use 'ut' when translating from English to Latin?
    Any help would be appreciated!
    Thanks in advance

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    Re: 4th Form Latin Relative Purpose Clause Question

    Forms of the relative pronoun qui, quae, quod, are generally used instead of ut whenever they can be used, as long as you keep the meaning of the sentence. The relative is often used when the main clause verb expresses to send, send ahead, choose, leave behind, etc. The relative refers to the direct object of such verbs, as in, He sent soldiers to pursue the enemy. The relative form would be literally, He sent soldiers who might/should pursue the enemy. If you think of the literal form like this, it is easier to translate.

    The antecedent of the relative is a noun or pronoun in the main clause. If the main clause verb is active and transitive, the antecedent of qui will NOT be the main clause subject. But you can use qui to agree with the main clause subject with a passive verb, as in, Soldiers were sent who might secure/to secure the Province. Here, qui refers to milites. Or with an intransitive main clause verb, as in, Envoys came to Caesar who might seek peace/to seek peace.

    The verb in the relative purpose clause, like all purpose clauses, will be present or imperfect subjunctive. This is a good signal to know that such a clause may be a purpose clause, and not a simple relative clause.

    Bonnie
    Last edited by Bonnie; 11-04-2017, 06:40 PM.

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      Re: 4th Form Latin Relative Purpose Clause Question

      Thank you so much for your post! That is very helpful! My daughter and I are studying your reply.
      We appreciate it and will ask if we have further questions.

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        Re: 4th Form Latin Relative Purpose Clause Question

        Absolutely. I might just add that the ut clause is adverbial and explains the purpose; it answers, why did he send, leave, choose (whatever the main verb is)? But the relative purpose clause is adjectival, modifying the antecedent and perhaps throwing some emphasis on the persons who are to accomplish the purpose. You might think of reading a relative purpose clause, as He sent, left, etc. persons who were to seek, pursue, promise, whatever the subjunctive verb is.

        You can read about these in Henle Grammar 546 and 625.

        The short answer to your question is, use the relative by default instead of ut, if it is possible to do so without changing the sentence meaning.

        Bonnie
        Last edited by Bonnie; 11-05-2017, 02:08 PM.

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