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  • JenNicole
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    Wow, that's a pretty impressive and detailed review for VT. Thanks!

    Decisions, decisions . . .

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  • jen1134
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    Mr. Clark (VT's founder) gave a presentation at last year's Sodalitas that was very helpful for understanding the difference in approach and the reasons for it. I'll link to it below. A math-savvy friend also went to his session during the Teacher Training and was very impressed with it. Apparently the program has been around for about 20 years. Here are some interesting thoughts from a solid math student, shared on the VT site:
    "Dear Mr. Clark,

    ….. I was one of the students who finished your geometry program ….. You really do an excellent job of making a truly versatile program that works for all types of math students. I am a strong math student, and I feel your program is far superior ….. I was well prepared for the SAT and was able to get a 770 in the math section. Since I wanted to go to college for mechanical engineering, I felt encouraged when I saw the score. I was accepted to top engineering schools such as Rose-Hulman, though I decided to save money, and go to Penn State University. It’s very well ranked, but still relatively inexpensive, especially with the scholarships I get from the honors program.

    My opinion of the VideoText program was reinforced when I was tutoring a homeschool student in Algebra 1. The student was using ….. math and some of the exercises the program required were completely ridiculous. One of the most memorable was a problem asking the student to convert between two units using 12 separate steps. Using the principles I learned in VideoText Algebra, I was able to help the student catch up on his math skills. I also recommended that his family buy VideoText Algebra for the next school year. They took me up on the suggestion and will be using VideoText Algebra for the next school year.

    Once again, I would like to thank you for all the thought and work you put into the VideoText programs. It is far superior to any other homeschooling program I am aware of, and I feel it has left me well-prepared for my college career.

    Sincerely,

    Cody, Kirkwood, PA"

    Here's the link (the 2019 videos are now free; session is titled "Top 10 Myths of Homeschooling Math"): https://www.memoriapress.com/videos/

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  • JenNicole
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    hermione310, Thank you for the notes. I laughed out loud at the castor oil reference! I have seen that same face on math students before, ha! This particular daughter, however, thinks of math more like a spoonful of ice cream. I am leaning toward the PH simply because it has been tested for so long and I keep hearing that it is very thorough, well preparing students for higher levels of math. I will likely do a little more research on VT, but as Tanya mentioned, I should probably decide pretty quickly. I'll let you know if I have any trouble getting the materials. Thank you for your generous offer!

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  • hermione310
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    I second the thought that there are two good choices. My daughter seemed to be completing problems but not always fully understanding concepts. She was often taking 90 minutes to complete her work and although that's what stated as typical in the MP materials, it was a constant struggle during the lessons and afterward to continue our class day. We were fighting all the time over math and needed another solution.

    That said, It's not so much that I felt the MP Prentice Hall curriculum was a problem, but wanted to try something different to see if it was a better match for my daughter specifically. I met with Cindy Davis at a Sodalitas conference years ago and found her to be gracious and highly informative. I also found her explanations in the instructional videos to be excellent and superior to reading solely the text. For my daughter, the shorter lesson length and brief conceptual explanations in the VT videos is a better fit for her level of math stamina (read: succeeds in math, but views it akin to taking castor oil). She seems to be grasping the concepts better as well.

    I had heard that the PH materials were going out of print, so I bought my Algebra II textbook and solutions guide ahead of time before I'd heard of VideoText. If you find yourself stuck and unable to obtain them from MP, PM me and I'm happy to ship you mine (not selling, just passing on to a fellow homeschooler).

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  • JenNicole
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    Thank you, Tanya! That is great to know. I have only heard positive things about the PH and DVD combo, so that explains the change.

    KF2000, Yes, the way MP carefully selects materials is why I am curious about VT. Thank you for sharing that PH has worked well for your kids and that they were well prepared for higher math. That is probably my biggest concern when comparing different materials.

    It seems like I have two good choices. Thanks for the feedback!

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  • KF2000
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    Originally posted by JenNicole View Post
    I am wondering if anyone in this thread can give a comparison of the two options that were mentioned here for Alegbra II. Hermione310, you mentioned that you are switching from PH to VT, and I would love to hear your thoughts and why you wanted something different. My daughter has been working with a tutor using Saxon for a while now. Next year, the same tutor is not available, and we will need to choose what we will use moving forward. I would love to hear any compare / contrast notes between PH with the MP DVD's and the VT series for Algebra II. I did read above that the lessons are shorter in VT, but I am also interested in notes about the actual teaching, explanations, material covered, etc. Thanks!
    I hope you get an answer to your request for a comparison, but it may be tough for many people to chime in on that yet because this is really the first year MP has been offering VT - so there may not be a lot of us that have used it yet.

    My older kids have used the PH books for Algebra I and II, and did very well with them. They are very thorough courses and my kids were able to follow the explanations most of the time. We also pull out Kahn Academy occasionally to get unstuck if necessary. My two oldest ones went on to higher math after those books and have both been well-prepared. I have not had a need to switch to VT yet, so I can’t speak to it directly.

    But I will also add that MP has always been extremely purposeful about the materials they have chosen. I would have every expectation that VT would be a worthy choice simply from our experience with the rest of the MP curriculum. I hope that helps a little!

    AMDG,
    Sarah

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  • tanya
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    Hello.

    I'm sure people will chime in with their experiences with both programs, but I wanted to let you know that the reason we made the switch is because the PH books are out of print and difficult to find. Once they are gone, there will be no more. So if you decide to go that route, you will want to get your text sooner than later.

    Tanya

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  • JenNicole
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    I am wondering if anyone in this thread can give a comparison of the two options that were mentioned here for Alegbra II. Hermione310, you mentioned that you are switching from PH to VT, and I would love to hear your thoughts and why you wanted something different. My daughter has been working with a tutor using Saxon for a while now. Next year, the same tutor is not available, and we will need to choose what we will use moving forward. I would love to hear any compare / contrast notes between PH with the MP DVD's and the VT series for Algebra II. I did read above that the lessons are shorter in VT, but I am also interested in notes about the actual teaching, explanations, material covered, etc. Thanks!

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  • hermione310
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    Originally posted by melaneesa View Post
    Thank you, that's helpful. My biggest concern with using anything other than MPOA for math is that I am not a math person, and so I run into problems if the kids need help. I'm going to look into VT more, but this is helpful information!
    I'm not mathy either (not by a long shot). The VT instructor's guides have complete step-by-step solutions written out for each problem, which works really well when my daughter gets stuck on a problem. I did have one question when we were first starting out and called VT -- I got a call back from the creator of VT himself who offered his cell number if we had any further issues. (I was able to solve it myself as it turns out.) I was pretty impressed with that kind of service!

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  • melaneesa
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    Thank you, that's helpful. My biggest concern with using anything other than MPOA for math is that I am not a math person, and so I run into problems if the kids need help. I'm going to look into VT more, but this is helpful information!

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  • hermione310
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    Originally posted by melaneesa View Post

    I was wondering about this. I have a daughter currently in Algebra I in MPOA. If I moved her to VT next year, I would buy modules D-F? Does the material "line up" well for that switch?
    My daughter completed Prentice Hall Algebra I using the MP videos. When we started VT modules D-F, I wasn't sure exactly where to begin. I sensed some of the material at the start of Unit V was review, so I gave DD the Unit V assessment to see if we should start from the beginning or skip the first series of lessons. To get to the the Unit V Assessment:

    1) Log into the parent account
    2) Click "Unit V - Second-Degree Relations and Higher"
    3) Scroll down to the last heading, "Unit V Assessment"
    4) Select "Unit V - Test A" (note: the answer key is the link immediately beneath it - "Instructor's Guide A")

    After administering the assessment, it was clear that DD had the concepts down from Unit V Parts A and B (these were both covered in Prentice Hall Algebra 1), so we chose to start the course with Unit V Part C.

    I was concerned about meshing the scope and sequence of the two courses, but it hasn't posed a problem. It's been a smooth transition. VideoText does use some vocabulary that's a little different than Prentice Hall and occasionally references problem-solving methods taught in Year One, but this hasn't been an issue. So far I'm really impressed with the clear, methodical way that concepts are explained.

    Per the VideoText recommendations, I assign 1/2 of the problems in the WorkText pages. If DD finds these particularly challenging or she doesn't retain the material the following day, the plan is to assign the second half of the WorkText problems. (I haven't had to do this yet, which I credit to the clear explanations in the instructional videos.) I've found that the lessons start-to-finish are _significantly_ shorter with VT than Prentice Hall. What a blessing! Math was taking an incredibly long time, and we've gone from 75 min. math lessons to 45 min., 60 max. This may not seem like a significant difference but it's definitely impacted my daughter's attitude. Math grumpiness has largely disappeared. Thank you MP!

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  • melaneesa
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    Originally posted by hermione310 View Post
    We decided to make the switch from Prentice Hall to VideoText for Algebra II. I was impressed by the coverage of math concepts in their preview lessons.
    I was wondering about this. I have a daughter currently in Algebra I in MPOA. If I moved her to VT next year, I would buy modules D-F? Does the material "line up" well for that switch?

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  • Michael
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    Originally posted by Melisa Burke View Post
    Is there a pre-algebra section to Video Text or do you still recommend COTRW?

    Melisa
    Good evening Melisa,

    As Dorinda noted, VT's Module A can serve as pre-algebra. However, we will continue to use College of the Redwoods for a year-long pre-algebra course in our curriculum packages.

    HTH!

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  • Mom2mthj
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    I haven’t used VT, but module A is generally considered pre-algebra.

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  • Melisa Burke
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    Is there a pre-algebra section to Video Text or do you still recommend COTRW?

    Melisa

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