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    This post is a follow-up to one I wrote earlier this summer.

    My 14-year old DD used MP Core 8 last school year. This was her first year with MP.

    Because I work 1-1 with my now 7 & 10 year-olds, and have a now 4-year old undertow, I was unable to figure out how to work with her in areas she needed. We went into the year modifying MP 8 so she could assimilate to the program without gaps. Even so, she requested coaching/drilling in Grammar, Latin, was frustrated by writing, etc.

    Halfway through the year we had to evacuate our home, and ever since have been living in small, temporary spaces. My DD continued to work on Math, Writing, and some Lit and Science. She continued to teach our youngest SCA. She also practiced piano faithfully, completed an online chant class and was second pianist for the youth orchestra. But she did not finish the MP 8 by any means.

    I would like her to at least complete the end of the Core 8 Poetry and all of the Shakespeare.

    She has requested to be involved in a co-op which is basically weekly group classes (Chant & Greek Immersion) and wants material she can do independently for high school. She has requested online classes but at this point more than 2 would be cost-prohibitive.

    I've read through several high school posts in efforts to see what families are doing. I am completely and utterly late in the game here because we've been contemplating a major international move which would change some of what we are doing with her. It's very possible we will move in early September, which is awful timing but completely unavoidable.

    So! Does anyone have any brilliant advice for creating a plan that would serve my daughter well, challenge her but give her the freedom she craves?
    expat mama south of the border
    DD (14) MP 9 Core, modified, (Greek, Music Theory)
    DS (10) SC4
    DS2 (7) SC1
    DS3 (4) SCB

    #2
    Couple of ideas pop into my head, but I don’t know what appeals to you.

    I have found that 1-2 online classes provides a good measure of accountability to keep us all on track. You might consider the one course that you think would be the most useful to have someone else teach it. I would say either her favorite subject or her least favorite subject that won’t get done without prodding. For my daughter last year she took Latin online (her favorite) and Biology (her least favorite because she knew it wouldn’t get done otherwise). My kids can do math with video lessons because I can help. I don’t know your religious background, but I have heard good things about homeschool connections. They have live classes, but also have a large selection of recorded classes that you can access for $300/yr for as many as you want. Some of them you can pay a bit extra to have assignments graded. It is a Catholic organization, but there is quite a selection of math and science on there. I plan to have a couple of my kids try it this year, but we haven’t started yet.
    Dorinda

    For 2019-2020
    DD 16 - 11th with MPOA(AP Latin), Lukeion (Greek4 & Adv. NT Greek), Thinkwell (Economics and Chemistry), plus Pre-Calculus, American G’ment, Early Church History set, and British Lit
    DS 14 - 8th with MPOA(Fourth Form), CLRC(Intro Lit and Comp), plus Algebra, Field Biology, Classical Studies 1
    DS 11 - 6th with Right Start Level G online class
    DS 6 - 1st with Prima Latina

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      #3
      Hi dear Grace! Since things are uncertain with the move, what if she focused right now on completing the 8th grade literature and any math that remains?

      For next year, maybe use MPOA for Latin and composition since she needed/wanted more guidance in those.

      Where is she in math, science, etc? Where you live will likely impact what your high school plans need to be. If you come back to the states, some will let you decide what her graduation requirements should be while others will dictate that for you.

      Indiana lets you decide for yourself...hint, hint ????
      Jennifer
      Blog: [url]www.seekingdelectare.com[/url]

      DS16
      MP: Lit 10, VideoText Algebra
      MPOA: High School Comp. II
      HSC: Spanish I, Conceptual Physics, Modern European History, and electives

      DS15
      MP: Biology, Lit 10, VideoText Algebra, Greek Tragedies
      MPOA: High School Comp. II, Fourth Form Latin
      HSC: Modern European History

      DS12
      7M with:
      Second Form Latin, EGR III, and HSC for US History

      DS11
      SC Level 4

      DD9
      3A, with First Form Latin (long story!)

      DD7/8
      Still in SC Level 2

      DD 4/5
      SC Level C

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        #4
        Michigan lets you decide as well...

        My daughter likes to focus on a subject or two as well. It can’t hurt to finish up math while you are in limbo. That is always going to be on the list of needed credits for college.
        Dorinda

        For 2019-2020
        DD 16 - 11th with MPOA(AP Latin), Lukeion (Greek4 & Adv. NT Greek), Thinkwell (Economics and Chemistry), plus Pre-Calculus, American G’ment, Early Church History set, and British Lit
        DS 14 - 8th with MPOA(Fourth Form), CLRC(Intro Lit and Comp), plus Algebra, Field Biology, Classical Studies 1
        DS 11 - 6th with Right Start Level G online class
        DS 6 - 1st with Prima Latina

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          #5
          Hi Grace!

          Jen and Dorinda have given you great suggestions. I will echo their thoughts to keep up with math, and try to take Latin and maybe composition online. We do use Homeschool Connections, as Dorinda mentioned, and it has been very helpful. The one caveat I will add to the suggestions about online options is that all of my kids across the board have tired of online classes very quickly. The need to be tied to the computer for an entire lecture is just irritating to them. Doubling or tripling that effect to have two or three classes at a time would not be desirable to them. So there is a balance to be struck. That’s why if I were in your shoes, I would pick Latin for her because there is so much more value to Latin than just about any other aspect of curriculum apart from math.

          If Math and Latin become things she can do independently, then I would suggest continuing with what literature you already have. Try to finish it, and then simply move slowly forward as much as you can, even if it is one book at a time. You could alternate an actual literature book with a Classical Studies reading so that you get some of both. If you want to get by with as little need for mom/child time for it, you can have her read and complete the guide independently and then simply follow up with her to read over her work and pull out a few things to discuss. But I will add a word about that below...

          Science can be something you address when you get more stable, unless she has a real desire to go into a science-based field. As long as she keeps up with Math, she could even double up on sciences at some point to catch up.

          The note I think is important to keep in mind about a child’s ability to work independently is that it ideally grows naturally out of a foundation of modeling. Kids who have been with MP for years do become very independent because their courses follow the same pattern year after year. But they are not independent to begin with. They become that way after doing week after week of lessons with mom first. So while your daughter desires to be independent, you may need to have a heart to heart with her about the fact that she may not be ready yet - at least not in certain areas. Granted, since she is older she can make progress more quickly than a 9 or 10 year old. But there should necessarily be a bit of time where you work with her to set expectations and build that foundation of skills. It sounds like even if you just tried to do that for literature it would be enough to start with. And if you put all your younger ones down for a rest each day, you could have even an hour to work with her. I would count that as a reasonable minimum for her at this point.

          Hths!
          AMDG,
          Sarah
          2019-2020 - 9th Year with MP
          DD, 18, Homeschool grad; Art major/philosophy minor
          DS, 16
          DD, 14
          DD, 12
          DD, 10
          DD, 7.5
          DD, 5.5
          +DS+
          DS, 18 months

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            #6
            Thank you for the wonderful input!

            I've pulled the Poetry out of storage and she'll work on that over the next few weeks along with Math.

            We've talked about using Fridays as allowing for more 1-1 in the subjects she needs more guidance on.

            She really wants to be accepted into a local University with a great music program. The homeschool co-op locally has told me that MP is not aligned with college requirements. This refers to both Mexico & U.S.
            I think it's preposterous, as it is such a rigorous program, etc.
            expat mama south of the border
            DD (14) MP 9 Core, modified, (Greek, Music Theory)
            DS (10) SC4
            DS2 (7) SC1
            DS3 (4) SCB

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              #7
              Grace,
              I have no idea what area your local home school co-op thinks is missing. Music school requirements are a different world from all others, but academically MP can prepare your daughter. You do need to pay attention to the requirements for the schools you think your daughter might want to attend. There are similarities between all of them, but some do have unique requirements. Music school will require many specific things in addition to academics like auditions, sample recordings, etc. Now is a good time to start looking online and calling a couple of schools to convince yourself that you are on track or adjust while you still have plenty of time. I wasn’t able to pull up Mexican university requirements, but here is a link to the University of Michigan admission requirements for their Literature, Science, and Arts school. https://lsa.umich.edu/lsa/prospectiv...plication.html
              Obviously, you have to execute the plan, but MP is going to be able to provide curriculum and plans and classes if needed to get 4 years of English, 3 years of science, etc. mentioned here. Every school has a website and somewhere there will be a page like this one.

              If you have specifics that they mentioned that you have questions about, feel free to ask. Sometimes people just don’t want to look closely at something different and they find it easier to brush off something that doesn’t align with what they are doing. Do you have to get their approval of your plan? If not, it might just be time to politely smile and nod and then keep doing your own thing.
              Dorinda

              For 2019-2020
              DD 16 - 11th with MPOA(AP Latin), Lukeion (Greek4 & Adv. NT Greek), Thinkwell (Economics and Chemistry), plus Pre-Calculus, American G’ment, Early Church History set, and British Lit
              DS 14 - 8th with MPOA(Fourth Form), CLRC(Intro Lit and Comp), plus Algebra, Field Biology, Classical Studies 1
              DS 11 - 6th with Right Start Level G online class
              DS 6 - 1st with Prima Latina

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                #8
                I think there are a few colleges who are more specific about the social studies/ history requirement. I have seen a few who are looking for a year of government/ econ. I know some here use the Cicero for Government, but those would be 11th/12th grade subjects, anyhow, which hasn't been released as a core.

                Indiana University used to be one of those very specific colleges, but it seems to have made the last 2 social sciences credits more flexible. One of my kids did not get into IU, even though he was a good student, largely because of this requirement. He was applying later in the cycle, though. Since there is a HLS in Indy, I'm sure there are students who go to IU Bloomington. Note that Indiana counts a semester as a credit.

                IU's application requirements: "6 credits (semesters) of social sciences, including 2 credits of U.S. history; 2 credits of world history/civilization/geography; and 2 additional credits in government, economics, sociology, history, or similar topics"

                ETA: Maybe your co-op has MP confused with another provider?
                Last edited by bean; 08-18-2019, 06:22 AM.
                Bean. Long time MP user.

                DD- 9th grade aerospace enthusiast. Using a mix of dual credit, online and classical materials for 2019-2020.

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                  #9
                  GraceEllen

                  The co-op is wrong. Period. These are just SOME of the colleges and universities HLS students have been accepted to:
                  Bellarmine,
                  Boston College,
                  Boston University,
                  Centre,
                  Dartmouth,
                  Hillsdale,
                  MIT,
                  US Naval Academy,
                  New College of Florida,
                  Notre Dame,
                  Princeton,
                  Purdue,
                  Rose-Hulman,
                  St. John’s,
                  University of Michigan,
                  UPenn,
                  UVA,
                  Vanderbilt,
                  Wake Forest,
                  West Point

                  Jennifer
                  Blog: [url]www.seekingdelectare.com[/url]

                  DS16
                  MP: Lit 10, VideoText Algebra
                  MPOA: High School Comp. II
                  HSC: Spanish I, Conceptual Physics, Modern European History, and electives

                  DS15
                  MP: Biology, Lit 10, VideoText Algebra, Greek Tragedies
                  MPOA: High School Comp. II, Fourth Form Latin
                  HSC: Modern European History

                  DS12
                  7M with:
                  Second Form Latin, EGR III, and HSC for US History

                  DS11
                  SC Level 4

                  DD9
                  3A, with First Form Latin (long story!)

                  DD7/8
                  Still in SC Level 2

                  DD 4/5
                  SC Level C

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                    #10
                    Thanks Jen, that looks more like it!

                    Here's what we've decided on for the first year, pending changes suggested by my DD's music school director.

                    English:
                    1. CC Grammar Workbook III as a resource throughout the year
                    2. CC Accelerated Narrative, Chreia & Maxim
                    3. Literature & Poetry MP 9 (modified: Pride & Prejudice, Tale of Two Cities, Midsummer Night's Dream & Henry V)

                    Math:
                    Algebra I & begin Algebra II, MUS

                    Science:
                    MP Novare Physical Science

                    History:
                    MP American/Modern

                    Greek:
                    MP Elementary Greek (taken through the St. Raphael Online School)

                    Logic:
                    MP Traditional Logic I & II

                    Faith/Church History:
                    Orthodox Synaxarion (read daily in group)

                    Music:
                    Music Theory classes 2x week (3 hours per class): includes youth choir, Music Theory, Appreciation & Beauty + additional 1-1 piano lessons
                    Orchestra pianist, practice 1x per week (2 hours)
                    Last edited by GraceEllen; 08-20-2019, 06:23 PM.
                    expat mama south of the border
                    DD (14) MP 9 Core, modified, (Greek, Music Theory)
                    DS (10) SC4
                    DS2 (7) SC1
                    DS3 (4) SCB

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                      #11
                      I know that everyone is busy preparing for the school year! However, I really value input from other more seasoned MP mamas!

                      I have not placed my order yet, and hoping to in the next day if possible. Its under-the-wire for a start Sept. 9-ish. But, sometimes that's how things get done!

                      Also, thanks to the encouragement from you all, DD has agreed to work on Math, Shakespeare and Poetry & Short Stories in addition to her daily piano practice. So far, so good! (And, it's a good way to warm-up for the school year).
                      expat mama south of the border
                      DD (14) MP 9 Core, modified, (Greek, Music Theory)
                      DS (10) SC4
                      DS2 (7) SC1
                      DS3 (4) SCB

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