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  • bean
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    Originally posted by Mom2mthj View Post

    I knew you were skipping evolution topics, but I didn’t realize you skipped so many of the other topics. The currently open MPOA sections don’t fit in our schedule and I have already purchased the study set and streaming videos so I am stuck. I guess I will have him at least read the skipped chapters because he will almost certainly skip the senior year anatomy class in lieu of AP or dual enrollment in Physics or Chemistry.
    We did the Anatomy chapters in a semester, so it could be squeezed in as an elective.

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  • Mrs Bee
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    Originally posted by jenniferjb View Post

    My daughter took MPOA Biology last year and is taking MPOA Anatomy & Physiology this year, and it is definitely not redundant. Only two weeks were spent on the the anatomy chapters in the Holt text in the Biology course. A&P uses a completely different text and all 16 chapters are covered over the course of the year.
    Thank you!

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  • tanya
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    Dorinda,

    Paul is going to work on beefing up the online academy course descriptions as he gets the time. So stay tuned!

    Tanya

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  • jenniferjb
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    Originally posted by Mrs Bee View Post
    Tanya, would you then say that a plan of doing MPOA Biology in 10th and A&P in 12th is somewhat redundant?
    My daughter took MPOA Biology last year and is taking MPOA Anatomy & Physiology this year, and it is definitely not redundant. Only two weeks were spent on the the anatomy chapters in the Holt text in the Biology course. A&P uses a completely different text and all 16 chapters are covered over the course of the year.

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  • Mom2mthj
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    I don’t want to edit previous post...I really wish there were a better way to compare the homeschool options vs MPOA. The only way I knew of the differences is because my older child took the MPOA class and I was able to look back at her old class assignments.

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  • Mom2mthj
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    Originally posted by tanya View Post
    Hello.

    At HLS, we know we are going to have our students through high school, so we have time to do a thorough course in biology and then a course in Anatomy & Physiology. So we take a slower approach and cover biology without anatomy in the 9th grade, and that is what we based our study guides on. At MPOA, the teacher covers biology with anatomy and also covers ecology (which we skip at HLS due to time) and evolution (which we skip at HLS due to sensitivity). So we do cover less material in our study guides, but it is deliberate.

    MPOA's philosophy is that since their classes are a la carte, they don't know how long students are going to stick with the program, and so it makes better sense to cover the entire biology book in a year. Many times, that's all the biology students will get in high school. At HLS, we have one curriculum path that all students have to follow, so they are captive to the two years we spend on biology and Anatomy. The only students who don't take Anatomy are the ones that decide to do AP biology, chemistry, or physics. Those students fast-track themselves to AP.

    Tanya
    I knew you were skipping evolution topics, but I didn’t realize you skipped so many of the other topics. The currently open MPOA sections don’t fit in our schedule and I have already purchased the study set and streaming videos so I am stuck. I guess I will have him at least read the skipped chapters because he will almost certainly skip the senior year anatomy class in lieu of AP or dual enrollment in Physics or Chemistry.

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  • tanya
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    Mrs. Bee,

    That is a very good question. I don't think it would be necessarily redundant to do both MPOA classes. Basically, because they are covering so much material in the biology class, it will be impossible to teach to great depth. But a year-long Anatomy class will go into much greater detail. So you could consider the biology class an introduction to Anatomy, but know that you will be delving deeply in the class that is dedicated to one topic.

    Tanya

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  • Mrs Bee
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    Tanya, would you then say that a plan of doing MPOA Biology in 10th and A&P in 12th is somewhat redundant?

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  • tanya
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    Hello.

    At HLS, we know we are going to have our students through high school, so we have time to do a thorough course in biology and then a course in Anatomy & Physiology. So we take a slower approach and cover biology without anatomy in the 9th grade, and that is what we based our study guides on. At MPOA, the teacher covers biology with anatomy and also covers ecology (which we skip at HLS due to time) and evolution (which we skip at HLS due to sensitivity). So we do cover less material in our study guides, but it is deliberate.

    MPOA's philosophy is that since their classes are a la carte, they don't know how long students are going to stick with the program, and so it makes better sense to cover the entire biology book in a year. Many times, that's all the biology students will get in high school. At HLS, we have one curriculum path that all students have to follow, so they are captive to the two years we spend on biology and Anatomy. The only students who don't take Anatomy are the ones that decide to do AP biology, chemistry, or physics. Those students fast-track themselves to AP.

    Tanya

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  • happyhappyjoyjoy
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    I have been on the fence about MPOA vs the video lessons. That may have just helped me keep my original plan of MPOA, so thank you. I am looking forward to the reply as well.

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  • Mom2mthj
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    Quick question...
    I haven’t read back through the whole thread, but I recently received my biology materials for my son and we sat down to go over them. I was really surprised at how few chapters were covered so I logged back into my daughter’s MPOA account to look over their schedule from last year. MPOA covers 18 chapters not covered in the student guide I just received. Can you explain why all of those chapters were omitted? I was under the impression that it would just be a couple of chapters left out. I am concerned that this won’t cover anywhere near enough material to take the SAT subject test in biology.

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  • RunnerJoy
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    Originally posted by tanya View Post
    Courtney,

    We are not planning to switch to Novare at this time. We will continue to use Holt.

    Tanya
    Thanks! That is helpful to know.

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  • tanya
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    Courtney,

    We are not planning to switch to Novare at this time. We will continue to use Holt.

    Tanya

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  • RunnerJoy
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    Does MP have plans to switch from Holt to Novare for Biology? If yes, do you have a timeline for the switch?

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  • Esther
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    Originally posted by tanya View Post
    CAP just told me their samples are up on the website now, so you can access Novare samples!
    Thank you! I just took a look at the Sample Pages, sure enough, very good. I also simultaneously got this answer from my email last week and I thought I would share with everyone. Responses in red are from:

    Jeffrey Mays
    Science Education Specialist &
    Sales Associate
    515 S. 32nd Street • Camp Hill, PA 17011
    jeffreymays@classicalsubjects.com
    717-730-0711 ext. 3467
    www.ClassicalAcademicPress.com
    novarescienceandmath.com
    centripetalpress.com


    "Do you have any other sample pages you can send me from within a chapter? We have used Novare Earth Science and Physical Science in middle school and I am curious to know what the writing level is for this book. The other two were definitely geared for the younger age, which has been fine.

    General Biology is definitely a high school text while the two you mentioned are designed for middle school. Typically we consider it best for 10th or 11th grade withIntroductory Physics placed in the 9th grade.

    There are sample pages of each science text on the CAP website. Each product page features an image of the book, and you can click “Look Inside” to view them.

    Does Biology follow the same system as the other two we have used so far, i.e. chapters with learning checks interspersed, end of chapter exercises, weekly quizzes, and a lesson plan provided to take you through the year? Mid term and final exam, plus labs?

    It's a little different at the high school level. We do not use the learning checks, only chapter exercises. Weekly quizzes are replaced with typically two quizzes and a chapter test for every chapter. Midterm and final exam are the same. And we provide the same tools for planning the year out. There will be a separate lab experiment manual (not included on the CD).

    The website says Summer 2020, do you have anything more specific than that? I will need time to begin sourcing lab materials and prepping for the class, as well as making any late stage changes before school starts in mid-August if the book should turn out to be not a good fit.

    If you purchase the pre-order of the final edition now, we can send you a copy of the softcover beta edition of the text. The experiments are still being developed; the first 4 are ready, but the remaining 7 are experiencing some hold-ups, so I do not have a timeframe on those. Again, if you preorder the experiment manual, I can send you the 4 that are ready in a PDF document.

    If I order the book now, will I be receiving the digital resources right away and does that include the quiz and LC key information?

    Yes. You might want to specify on the order that you would like to receive the supplemental items immediately. If you have any trouble, just forward me your receipt and I will get them to you.

    I see solutions manuals online for the Physics and Chemistry classes. Will there be one available for Biology?
    No, biology will not have a solutions manual to my knowledge. A “solutions manual” contains the “solutions” to calculation problems. Since biology does not require much in the way of mathematical calculations, a solutions manual is not necessary. An answer key is included with the digital resources; that should be all you need.



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