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    Hello...

    I was looking at the above and find it interesting (read::tempting). But I was wondering if anyone is using this at home and if so, would it be overkill with the memory work they will be doing within MP anyway?

    I was also looking at Andrew Campbell's Living Memory since it is mentioned in the LCC.

    I appreciate any thoughts on either.
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    Theresa George

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    "O blessed Jesus, give me stillness of soul in You. Let Your mighty calmness reign in me. Rule me, O King of Gentleness, King of Peace." ~ St. John of the Cross OCD

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    Hi,
    I have Classically Catholic Memory Work Year Alpha. There are good and bad things about it. My children really liked the poetry and the Catechism recitations. And they learned Veni Emmanuel. The timeline has way too much detail--a stack of cards about four inches thick. The illustrations are beautiful. But the voice of the woman on the CD's drove my children crazy. She tends to go off-key and is trying to sing beyond her range. They begged me not to play the CD's anymore. For a lot of people this would not be a deal breaker, but I have an autistic son who is extremely sensitive to any off-key singing. (He does not want me to sing either.) I am going to continue to use the timeline cards and maps. Also, apparently the timeline is done from beginning to end each year, and skip counting is covered each year. So I don't plan to purchase Year Beta.
    I really like Andrew Campbell's Memory Work book better. I have used it much more than the CCM, and it allows me to customize the study work for each child. They each have a binder of memory work that they run through daily, with the older stuff getting moved to the back of the binder for once weekly review. His book really is enough material for kindergarten through high school and beyond.
    Blessings,
    Jude

    dd 16, ds 13, ds 10, ds 8, dd 6, ds 4, dd 14 mos.

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    Great help Jude! The CD would drive me nuts too as well as my daughter who has mild sensory issues.

    Living Memory sounds like a good choice and I would only have to buy one book : )
    Last edited by carmelitemom; 06-22-2013 at 03:38 PM. Reason: Wrong book title
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    Theresa George

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    "O blessed Jesus, give me stillness of soul in You. Let Your mighty calmness reign in me. Rule me, O King of Gentleness, King of Peace." ~ St. John of the Cross OCD

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    I agree. Living Memory is a goldmine, and much cheaper than CCM. I don't have CCM, but I have checked it out and thought it was rather expensive.

    Susan

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    Theresa,

    I have a close friend here who got the CCM this past year and tried to implement it. We talked about it a lot when she first got it (loving it...the newness factor) and then recently when discussing plans for next year (newness had worn off...reality had set in). Her experience was similar to Jude's....she too thought the timeline cards were way to detailed. Her other comments were that it was very very well done, she really like the material presented, and thought it was a great idea. However, the actual implementation is a struggle. The information is so specific, that to make it relevant to the kids, she felt like she needed to build a program around it, rather than being able to "do" another program, and tie it together with CCM. Does that make sense? So to do a program like MP, it was hard to have CCM be the umbrella, because the material is too different. To do CCM, you would have to pull together your own materials that match the program, and then have it be the umbrella for it.

    I am sorry for this to be hearsay, but I still thought her experience may be helpful to you.

    AMDG,
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    Yes, the information in CCM would seem to work better if you were using it as the spine and adding in your level of math, spelling, etc... There were a lot of resources suggested to use it as a guide for science. I was already happy with what we were doing in our other studies and didn't want to try to match it up with CCM. I like that in "Living Memory" he recommends waiting on using the selections until they can be applied to what they are studying. The Memoria Press complete curriculum materials may have enough memory work in them already. My oldest daughter was too old for any of them, so Campbell's book was a godsend. He has so much that I haven't come across elsewhere, like "Bible Ballad: The Books of the Bible." (Genesis--when we began; Exodus is when we ran; Leviticus is priestly lore. Numbers tells the sons we bore; With Deuteronomy, we close The tale of Moses, whom God chose. The Pentateuch is these books' name The Jewish Torah is the same.) And for little ones who are just starting in what we call "baby Latin": A father is pater, a mother is mater, A sister is soror, a brother is frater; A child should obey both his father and mother, And brothers and sisters should love one another.
    I have a couple of children that LOVE memory work, can't get enough of it. They have a much harder time with writing than their siblings, but give them something to memorize, and they are happy campers.
    Blessings,
    Jude

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    Thank you ladies! Very good input. I will definitely *put Living Memory on the list*. My daughter enjoys memory work too. I am always amazed at what she retains.
    Blessings,
    Theresa George

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    "O blessed Jesus, give me stillness of soul in You. Let Your mighty calmness reign in me. Rule me, O King of Gentleness, King of Peace." ~ St. John of the Cross OCD

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    Does anyone have any further advice on this topic? Someone recently mentioned CCM to me, and then I saw the recommendation of Living Memory here, although the book doesn't pop up on Amazon or other bookstores online.
    How much does MP already build the memory work into the cores, and could a Catholic family supplement in a simple way with the Catholic prayers and tradition?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Emilylovesbooks View Post
    Does anyone have any further advice on this topic? Someone recently mentioned CCM to me, and then I saw the recommendation of Living Memory here, although the book doesn't pop up on Amazon or other bookstores online.
    How much does MP already build the memory work into the cores, and could a Catholic family supplement in a simple way with the Catholic prayers and tradition?
    We have used CCM for two years now. The last year being at a co-op. We really love it! For the most part, we use all MP. Last year I just tweaked the History and geography to follow along with our CCM year. This year, I am doing the same. Gamma year follows botany and the Book of Trees fits it nicely with this. Geography covered this year is Africa and South Amercia, so I am using some out of each Geo book.

    My overall plan for memory and recitation is this: I go off of the weekly CCM memory, then add the EGR rules we study that week and Latin vocab and grammar. I also throw in any vocab or additional dates I want my kids to remember from Christian Studies. We go over all this 4x a week. It really doesn't take long and hasn't been hard to organize.

    If we didnt use CCM, I would take questions from the Baltimore Catechisms to memorize each week along with a Latin prayer (MP actually covers some of the same prayers) and reference Catholic history books such as Seton's, to get a Catholic perspective on some of the events in that time period. We would also study the vocab from each subject, rules and maps.

    Hope this helps!
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    Emily,
    Since these original posts, we have had a year of all our school-age children in MP's complete Core programs, and my experience is that we have plenty of memory work in our curriculum. The Recitation program that my younger kids do is perfect....it brings together actual material from their courses for the memory practice. We use it as a springboard to do all their drill work at once....adding up to a fantastic memory work period each day. Having the experience has even helped me drill with my older ones better, too. We have always memorized the BC, so adding that into our drill time has been a natural fit.

    Btw, the Catholic supplement I am preparing assigns the BC according to the order of the lessons from Faith and Life, so it will be a great addition to the curriculum without trying to be an umbrella to everything else.

    AMDG,
    Sarah

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    Sarah,

    How is the supplement going? (Not that I'm anxiously waiting or anything...)


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    Hi Michelle! Thanks for asking!

    It is going really well! I started out last fall bombarding the MP folks with different idea plans, and it took a lot of simply waiting, reading, and praying to realize that the Faith and Life texts really are a great way to go as a spine. I am a person who literally has to analyze all the options before I feel committed to something....so that planning stage was a big step.

    Now I am simply working really hard to get it together as quickly as I can! I am planning Catechism, prayers, Saint Enrichment, and odds and ends thrown in along the way. I am so excited with it though! If what we are doing had been in place years ago, I would have kept all my Faith and Life books!

    So the only bummer is that it won't be ready for this start of school year But I hope it will be worth the wait!

    AMDG,
    Sarah

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    Quote Originally Posted by Emilylovesbooks View Post
    Does anyone have any further advice on this topic? Someone recently mentioned CCM to me, and then I saw the recommendation of Living Memory here, although the book doesn't pop up on Amazon or other bookstores online.
    How much does MP already build the memory work into the cores, and could a Catholic family supplement in a simple way with the Catholic prayers and tradition?
    I bought this book a couple of years ago. I don't use it as much as i should, but it is a great reference. I bought mine on lulu.com and I see it listed at rainbow resource. The price looks about the same. Lulu runs coupon codes fairly frequently, but the shipping can be pricey as it is a thick book. They also have it as an ebook, but I like to hold stuff in my hand. Rainbow resource offers free shipping if you buy $50.

    Hope that helps.

    Dorinda

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    I have used CCM Alpha this year and have been happy with it. I wasn't doing an MP core, though. We will be doing MP cores this coming year, and I won't be adding CCM in. That would be way too much. I actually love the cd's. I run my homeschool with a lot of independence, so I have all the tracks in my cloud and the kids play them on my kindle or the roku. My 5th grade son is basically doing it all on his own. We skip geography and sometimes skip Latin. The cd tracks help him pronounce names and places correctly. I quiz him at the end of the week and give him a cumulative review every three weeks. He earns lego rewards for passing. I'm thrilled he is learning Patrick Henry's speech. I find the timeline very doable for a child his age, and it was important to me that he memorize a comprehensive timeline before we dive into middle school. I did own Andrew Campbell's book once and sold it. I just couldn't implement it. One of the reasons FFL, PL and CC worked for us this year and sold me on MP was the resources: the DVDs, flash cards, and CDs. I need resources to help my kids do their work as independently as possible. I also need plans and formats that are ready to go and repetitive. If we happen to finish our school year early next spring, I will pull out Beta as a supplement until the fall.

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    Quote Originally Posted by KF2000 View Post
    Hi Michelle! Thanks for asking!

    It is going really well! I started out last fall bombarding the MP folks with different idea plans, and it took a lot of simply waiting, reading, and praying to realize that the Faith and Life texts really are a great way to go as a spine. I am a person who literally has to analyze all the options before I feel committed to something....so that planning stage was a big step.

    Now I am simply working really hard to get it together as quickly as I can! I am planning Catechism, prayers, Saint Enrichment, and odds and ends thrown in along the way. I am so excited with it though! If what we are doing had been in place years ago, I would have kept all my Faith and Life books!

    So the only bummer is that it won't be ready for this start of school year But I hope it will be worth the wait!

    AMDG,
    Sarah
    Great news, Sarah! In light of this news, what would you recommend for the coming year? Our oldest will be in third grade. He made his FHC last month after a year of sacramental prep at our parish and the online version of Faith and Life at home. He also memorized the New St. Joseph First Communion Catechism.

    I'm planning on getting F&L 3 already, but I would love to hear what else we should cover so that he's up to speed for the supplement materials in fourth grade.

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    Thank you all for the input. I will have to do more reading to understand why all of the extra memory work is used by some. I don't have any experience doing this, except for some poems and rhymes and songs with kids, so it is hard to understand how much and what to do in this area.
    Do you who use Faith and Life and/or other Catholic resources also participate in your parish's religious ed program? Just curious.

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    I use F&L and BC among many other Catholic materials. We do not attend Public School Religion (PSR) at our parish because our children attend a Catholic school (just happens to be a Catholic school run in my own home). Our parish uses poor quality books. If for some strange reason I sent my kids I would still make my homeschool a Catholic school and use religion books in my curriculum so I could be sure they actually learned something substantial. A once a week remedial religion class is no substitute for a rigorous Catholic classical education.

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    Emily,
    While there are many ways families can work in additional Catholic materials, such as CCM, two things are true for me: 1) I love MP because I am not tweaking, adding, consolidating and stressing to put together a full, rich, wonderful education for my children. I did that....for years....until I got on board with MP. I would not go back to that because it raises my stress level, it is totally unnecessary from the wealth of resources MP has put together, and I am too busy actually schooling my (many) children.

    2) The curriculum MP offers is not entitled to the "label" of being a "Catholic" curriculum, nor do they seek that. However, the teachings of the Catholic church on "what is a Catholic education" list five markers that schools should strive for in providing a Catholic education. They are (condensed to not make this really long): 1) Centered on Christ; 2) Seeking the formation of the entire human person; 3) Pursuit of wisdom and virtue; 4) eduucating in a faith-based community, seeking to prepare students for participating in the larger community; 5) Presence of a well-formed teacher.

    We cover all those elements by our use of MP, significantly better than when I tried to focus on specifically Catholic materials because now we do feel like we are providing a real, complete, thorough education, that also covers all five of those markers. We try to participate at church as members of the faith community, but we are very selective about what activities the children do.

    If I put it all together, we: study the faith with the Baltimore Catechism, strive to make it to morning Mass as much as possible, read a Saint of the day t breakfast, have regular prayer times as a family, and mix in spiritual reading with our other read alouds. Combined with our excellent curriculum....I no longer worry at all about "adding."

    AMDG,
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